This time Luke and Josh get lost in the woods while discussing Road Not Taken and how to make a game that teaches you how to play as you play it, without it feeling heavy-handed.

Then in a raucous Mouthwash, they  talk about the coming of Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead - a roguelikr survival game, and how it relates to moose.  Also, the troubles with driving cars, procuring supplies, and whether zombies can still be an interesting enemy.