There was so much to take away from The National, and Mike and Jesse tried to pack it all into one episode. Plus, we got a first-timer's perspective from Mike, who helped film and edit much of our footage from the week.

0:00 - Intro and National Thoughts

5:00 - Favorite pickups at The National

19:45 - The National EQL Packs 

29:30 - The viral story of the dad and son who stole a big Mahomes card

33:50 - Gio’s story with Gronk

44:00 - The PSA Experience Mike and Jesse had

48:00 - PSA not getting cards back by the end of the show. Plus, the demand for grading as a whole.

50:45 - Trade Nights at The National

58:00 - Mike joins after helping with The National

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Michael Rubin joins Sports Cards Nonsense for an extensive conversation about Fanatics Collectibles, Topps, the future of sports cards, rising card prices, breakers, hobby shops, global expansion, and the changing collector experience.

The conversation also covers Fanatics Fest, Topps’ direct hobby-shop accounts, entry-level versus premium-product pricing, sports-card supply and demand, celebrity collectors, non-sports cards, FIFA and the global future of the hobby.

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Fanatics Fest versus The National

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Jesse and Gio kick off their Day 2 recap with voices that are almost gone after the MojoBreak x SCN party the night before, doing karaoke. Plus, Gio is joined by Doug Plagens of Nonsense on Ice on the SCN Media Network for a sit-down interview with Upper Deck President Jason Masherah to discuss Upper Deck's deal with Michael Jordan, the incredible run of rookies in the NHL, the Debut Patch project, and more.

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Gio is joined by Dalen from Junk Wax Vintage and Doug from MojoBreak as we look back at the first day of The National. Gio opens with some initial thoughts from the first day, including the incredible lines to get in. Plus, we touch on the PSA news from The National and more!

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Training Camps are starting across the NFL, and we welcome Joe Bartel from RotoWire to the show to look at the 2026 NFL Draft class as the season is on the verge of starting. Plus, an update on the eBay report from last week and looking ahead to The National.

0:00 - Update on eBay Patch Scammers, including trying to call one of the bad actors
12:00 - Gio responds to Darren Rovell's hot take
17:55 - How Fantasy Football can translate to cards with Joe Bartel
23:20 - How Fantasy Football differs from the card market
34:37 - Looking ahead to the 2026 NFL rookie class for fantasy and cards

55:00 - Looking ahead to The National

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Getting right into it with a big update on the eBay patch-switching scandal. Plus, with the release of 2026 Topps Chrome Baseball, the big hits are starting to come out. Looking at a local shop near Gio and Jesse that pulled one of the product hits.

0:00 - Intro 

2:00 - Gio’s update on the eBay patch-switching scandal

16:00 - Multiple big Ohtani’s have been hit from Chrome so far, including a local Tennessee shop hitting the Ohtani/Judge Dual Logoman auto

24:15 - Jesse is joining Logan Paul and Gary Vee

35:00 - PSA Grading University Boot Camp

38:00 - Interview with The National

46:25 - Mailbag

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Jesse gives his recap from his time at Fanatics Fest and what his highlights were from his time in New York. Plus, an incredibly awkward story about meeting our social media manager. We are joined by Joe Drelich, Brian Coppola, and Jim Ryan from The National to preview the show. Plus, a very important message for those on social media about why the two shows aren't competitors and why they actually need each other for both to thrive.

Also, Tim from BCW stops by to discuss all the happenings in the hobby.

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Whether you're attending The National for the first time or you're a seasoned collector, this episode is packed with practical tips to help you make the most of the biggest sports card show of the year.

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There has never been a better time to sell a card, but there has also never been a worse time to open a box of cards. Gio and Jesse look at the reality that as things go up, it will price people out of the hobby. How much more expensive have hobby boxes gotten in comparison to other things we buy regularly?

0:00 - Jesse is back and feeling better

9:30 - Goodwin Champions has an interesting numbering scheme

15:00 - The state of the market

32:00 - Looking at the Brady market and how things have exploded

43:00 - How the market has moved over the last year, and could we see a correction at some point?

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Gio is rolling somewhat solo as Jesse is out, but Adam Gray stops by to discuss his PC and the cards he regrets selling the most. Plus, Brendan joins to discuss the latest news with Upper Deck and Topps.

0:00 - Intro for Adam Gray

8:50 - Adam discusses his PC collection

12:10 - The one card Adam regrets selling the most

18:25 - His best piece of advice for collecting

23:00 - Upper Deck/Jordan Announcement 

30:15 - Topps Announcement on Retail 

40:30 - Mailbag

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