Tom Uren and Patrick Gray talk about a new report that compares Chinese and American 0day pipelines. The US is narrowly focussed on acquiring exquisitely stealthy and reliable exploits, while China casts a far broader net. That was fine in the past, but as 0days get harder and harder to find, the report argues that the US needs to change the way it goes about getting them.

The pair also talk about Cyber Command supporting the US bomb strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities. We like to believe in magic cyber capabilities, but we suspect the truth was far more mundane in this case.

This episode is also available on Youtube.