Tom Uren and Amberleigh Jack talk about Google starting a cyber disruption unit. It’s a sign of the times but could also point the way forward for policymakers looking to involve the private sector in government-endorsed efforts to strike back in cyberspace.

They also talk about cyber security authorities from 13 different countries pegging Salt Typhoon to three Chinese companies. That’s a lot of countries, but Tom wonders whether attribution is just viewed as a cost of doing business for the Chinese government.

And it turns out that Apple’s dispute with the UK government about encrypted iCloud data has not yet been resolved, despite media reports to the contrary.

This episode is also available on Youtube.