Tom Uren and Patrick Gray talk about America’s increasing dependence on Chinese manufacturers for electrical sector equipment. This doesn’t seem like a good idea when China is hacking electric utilities for sabotage and PLA researchers are dreaming up ways to attack the grid.

They also discuss the possibility that the US was responsible for a cyber attack on Venezuela’s state oil company and how Russian state-backed hacktivism is so dumb.

This episode is also available on Youtube.