Tom Uren and Amberleigh Jack talk about a new report that looks at how Russian cyber security firms have adapted since the country’s invasion of Ukraine. These firms are doing surprisingly well financially. It turns out that in an era of great power competition, picking sides is not just necessary, it is also a winning strategy.

They also discuss Russia effectively killing foreign messenger services to promote its own WeChat-like service and claims that the UK has backed down on its Apple encryption order.

This episode is also available on Youtube.