In this podcast guest host Patrick Gray and Tom Uren talk about research that discovered that EU-based spyware was being used to target EU and US officials. Will that encourage EU governments to take action against spyware?

They also discuss Belgian concerns that the PRC will take advantage of a Chinese logistics firm with a hub in Liège for espionage.

Finally, they discuss whether hacktivists will follow International Humanitarian Law (IHL or the Rules of Law) rules about hactivism in wartime. Almost certainly not, but Tom still thinks its worth talking about and promoting responsible behaviour.