In this podcast Tom Uren and Patrick Gray talk about the structure of the spyware ecosystem. It’s concentrated, with lots of vendors in India, Israel and Italy. And its a small pool of talent, with many companies being founded by just a few individuals.

They also talk about the US government’s actions against Russia’s disinformation ecosystem. The US very clearly linked different ‘layers’ of that ecosystem directly to the Russian government. Employing influencers via cutouts also shows how Russian disinformation has responded as social media platforms have countered interference efforts.

This episode is also available on Youtube.