Tom Uren and Amberleigh Jack talk about the rise of technologies that can undermine internet blackouts such as Starlink and its relatively new direct-to-cell service. Authoritarian internet shutdowns and disasters happen often enough that governments should think about how to take advantage of these new technologies rather than just reacting when crises arise.

They also discuss the nomination of General Joshua Rudd as head of NSA and US Cyber Command.

This episode is also available on Youtube.