On this episode, Bob and Matt chat with author and long-time journalist Jon Wiederhorn about his new 12-part podcast series called 'Backstaged: The Devil In Metal'. The three discuss the history of how the occult was introduced into hard rock and metal during the 70's as well as the shock value that many bands used with satanic lyrics and imagery during the 80's and beyond. They also talk about the decadence of the 80's and the effect that sex and drugs had on the overall environment of rock and metal. Wiederhorn talks about interviews that he conducted for the podcast with legendary musicians such as Rob Halford, Dave Navarro, Al Jourgensen and more.