What if becoming a leader wasn’t part of the plan? My guest today became an “accidental entrepreneur,” then stepped into some of the biggest leadership roles imaginable — only to find the inner voice of self-doubt never went away. From loneliness at the top to leading change without allies, Kelly Gray shows us why doing the right thing is rarely the easy thing.

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud. If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.

Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.

Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.

Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.

Work With Luisa

If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:

• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory

• Keynotes and curated live experiences

• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions

Learn more at: vermelho.com.au

A Note From Whisper & Thread

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Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.

Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.

And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.

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