Startup Field Guide by Unusual Ventures: The Product Market Fit Podcast

Startup Field Guide by Unusual Ventures: The Product Market Fit Podcast

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Startup Field Guide by Unusual Ventures: The Product Market Fit Podcast episodes

  • How 6sense found product-market fit: Jason Zintak on account intelligence for revenue teams

    6sense is an AI-powered ABM platform that is focused on arming revenue teams with the right information to engage with the right accounts. It aggregates buying signals like website visits, email opens, and product review hits. It then leverages machine learning to help revenue teams automate their workflows. 

    In this episode, Sandhya Hegde chats with 6Sense’s CEO Jason Zintak about their path to product-market fit.

    Join us as we discuss:

    (1:26) Jason’s background and he made the decision to join 6sense

    (5:32) How early customer conversations informed the 6Sense product strategy

    (8:15) 6sense’s early GTM strategy that got them to $5M ARR

    (9:11) Jason’s first 90 days at 6sense as a new CEO

    (10:56) 6sense’s early product-market fit signals

    (16:12) How the advent of generative AI has impacted the product

    (18:22) How 6Sense is thinking about building self-serve experiences

    (24:06) How the recessionary macro-environment impacts the company’s GTM strategy 

    Sandhya Hegde is a General Partner at Unusual Ventures, leading investments in modern SaaS companies with a focus on AI. Previously an early executive at Amplitude, Sandhya is a product-led growth (PLG) coach and mentor. She can be reached at [email protected] and 

    Twitter - https://twitter.com/sandhya

    LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandhyahegde/

    Jason Zintak is the CEO of 6sense. Previously, Jason was the CEO and president at Platfora. 


    Unusual Ventures is a seed-stage venture capital firm designed from the ground up to give a distinct advantage to founders building the next generation of software companies. Unusual has invested in category-defining companies like Webflow, Arctic Wolf Networks, Carta, Robinhood, and Harness. Learn more about us at https://www.unusual.vc/.


    Further reading from the Startup Field Guide:

    • What is a self-serve PLG experience? https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/nail-your-self-serve-product
      • Defining a GTM framework https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/define-a-gtm-framework-early
        • Building a product roadmap: https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/building-a-product-roadmap

            • 30 min
            • How Hex found product-market fit: Barry McCardel on data collaboration

              Hex is a data platform that allows teams to streamline their entire workflow using collaborative notebooks, BI, and docs. Hex offers data scientists the ability to work together to deliver their insights and empowers both business users and data analysts to quickly find the answers they need to do their jobs. Today, the company has over 500 enterprise customers. 

              In this episode, Sandhya Hegde chats with Hex’s co-founder and CEO Barry McCardel about their path to product-market fit. 

              Join us as we discuss:

              • (1:51) How Barry and his co-founders came up with the idea for Hex 
              • (5:37) Why Hex’s co-founders saw the need for a collaborative data platform
              • (7:42) How the early team picked a beachhead around sharing and communicating work
              • (12:01) How “commitment engineering” became key to validating Hex’s early assumptions
              • (16:03) How the team identified early users and personas
              • (20:41) How early users informed Hex’s product roadmap
              • (28:34) Hex’s approach to early team-building
              • (32:33) How Hex sees its user profile evolving, and its impact on their product roadmap
              • (38:39) Hex’s AI strategy to empower people to do creative work with data
              • (43:29) Advice to founders thinking about building data startups

              • Sandhya Hegde is a General Partner at Unusual Ventures, leading investments in modern SaaS companies with a focus on AI. Previously an early executive at Amplitude, Sandhya is a product-led growth (PLG) coach and mentor. She can be reached at [email protected] and 

                • Twitter - https://twitter.com/sandhya

                • LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandhyahegde/


                • Barry McCardel is the co-founder and CEO of Hex Technologies. Prior to starting Hex, Barry worked at Palantir and TrialSpark.


                  Unusual Ventures is a seed-stage venture capital firm designed from the ground up to give a distinct advantage to founders building the next generation of software companies. Unusual has invested in category-defining companies like Webflow, Arctic Wolf Networks, Carta, Robinhood, and Harness. Learn more about us at https://www.unusual.vc/.


                  Further reading from the Startup Field Guide:

                  • Identifying early adopters: https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/segmenting-early-markets
                  • Building a product roadmap: https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/building-a-product-roadmap
                  • Hiring an early-stage team: https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/three-traits-in-early-stage-hires

                  • 46 min
                  • How Glean found product-market fit: Arvind Jain on enterprise search and AI

                    The space of enterprise search and knowledge management is on the cusp of being dramatically transformed by AI-native tools that can find, analyze and synthesize information instantly for knowledge workers. An emerging leader in this category is Glean. Valued at $1B and serving over a hundred enterprise customers today, Glean leverages an enterprise-grade knowledge graph and LLMs (large language models) to help companies find and use their institutional knowledge across hundreds of internal tools and SaaS applications.  

                    In this episode, Sandhya Hegde (GP at Unusual Ventures) interviews Glean CEO and co-founder Arvind Jain on their path to product-market fit. Join us as we cover:

                    • (1:49) The technological shifts Arvind has observed throughout his career
                    • (5:11) How Modern AI is forcing us to rethink how we build products
                    • (8:00) Arvind’s inspiration for starting Glean
                    • (17:10) How Glean pinpointed their early “desperate” customer and built their MVP
                    • (20:14) The difference between consumer search and enterprise search
                    • (24:45) How Glean uses LLMs within its core product
                    • (30:40) The impact of AI on knowledge management systems 
                    • (34:41) How Glean’s solves for “hallucination” by constraining their model with the right knowledge
                    • (38:41) How Glean is scaling its go-to-market strategy using an enterprise sales model
                    • (40:51) Advice for founders about navigating the shift to AI

                    • Sandhya Hegde is a General Partner at Unusual Ventures, leading investments in modern SaaS companies with a focus on AI. Previously an early executive at Amplitude, Sandhya is a product-led growth (PLG) coach and mentor. She can be reached at [email protected] and 

                      • Twitter - https://twitter.com/sandhya

                      • LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandhyahegde/


                      • Arvind Jain is the CEO of Glean. Prior to Glean, Arvind co-founded Rubrik, one the fastest growing companies in cloud data management, and worked at Google, where he spent over a decade leading various teams in Search, Maps, and YouTube.


                        Unusual Ventures is a seed-stage venture capital firm designed from the ground up to give a distinct advantage to founders building the next generation of software companies. Unusual has invested in category-defining companies like Webflow, Arctic Wolf Networks, Carta, Robinhood and Harness. Learn more about us at https://www.unusual.vc/.


                        Further reading from the Startup Field Guide:

                        • Starting the sales process: https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/qualification-before-discovery

                        • How founders can shape the future of Generative AI: https://www.unusual.vc/post/how-startup-founders-can-shape-the-future-of-generative-ai

                        • 45 min
                        • How Vercel found product-market fit: Guillermo Rauch on dynamic web app development

                          Vercel is an open-source platform that helps front-end developers build and ship dynamic web applications leveraging Jamstack (https://jamstack.org/). Last valued at $2.5B, Vercel was founded in 2015 by CEO Guillermo Rauch and now serves over 30,000 companies. 


                          In this episode, guest host Wei Lien Dang (General Partner at Unusual Ventures) interviews Vercel CEO and Founder Guillermo Rauch about their path to product-market fit.


                          Join us as we cover:

                          • (1:24) How Guillermo came up with idea for creating Vercel
                          • (7:31) How Guillermo identified the opportunity for dynamic front-end development by analyzing gaps within the existing technology and infrastructure
                          • (12:43) Why he decided to pursue the open source path for Vercel
                          • (17:16) How Vercel drove adoption and built an early enthusiastic user base 
                          • (24:25) The use cases and aha! moments for early adopters using Vercel
                          • (30:18) How Vercel built a go-to-market strategy aimed at developers
                          • (33:31) Vercel’s content marketing strategy for developers which includes details about how their technology works
                          • (34:56) Guillermo’s perspective on the current open source ecosystem and market
                          • (36:45) How to build a commercially viable business using open source technologies

                          • Sandhya Hegde is a General Partner at Unusual Ventures, leading investments in modern SaaS companies with a focus on AI. Previously an early executive at Amplitude, Sandhya is a product-led growth (PLG) coach and mentor. She can be reached at [email protected] and 

                            • Twitter: https://twitter.com/sandhya

                            • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandhyahegde/


                            • Wei Lien Dang is a General Partner at Unusual Ventures, leading investments in open source software, developer tools and cybersecurity. Previously the co-founder of Stackrox, Wei can be reached at [email protected] and 

                              • Twitter: https://twitter.com/weiliendang

                              •  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/weiliendang/


                              • Guillermo Rauch is the CEO and founder of Vercel. He was the CTO and co-founder of LearnBoost and Cloudup, acquired by Automattic in 2013. He's the creator of several popular Node.JS open-source libraries like socket.io, mongoose and slackin. 


                                Unusual Ventures is a seed-stage venture capital firm designed from the ground up to give a distinct advantage to founders building the next generation of software companies. Unusual has invested in category-defining companies like Webflow, Arctic Wolf Networks, Carta, Robinhood and Harness. Learn more about us at https://www.unusual.vc/.


                                Further reading from the Startup Field Guide:

                                • Starting an open-source company: https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/start-an-open-source-software-company
                                • Developing open-source customers: https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/developing-open-source-customers
                                • Building open-source GTM: https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/open-source-gtm
                                • 42 min
                                • How Amplitude found product-market fit: Curtis Liu on pivoting to analytics

                                  Amplitude is the world’s #1 product analytics platform, currently trading at $1.6B. Launched in 2014, Amplitude started out as a mobile analytics tool, and eventually expanded to include all digital analytics, experimentation and personalization. The company now serves over 1900 customers.


                                  In this episode, CTO Curtis Liu shares the story of how Amplitude was created after he and his co-founder, Spenser Skates, decided to pivot when their initial product idea didn’t find traction. They explored several options before landing on mobile analytics. Curtis walks us through their early prototyping and discovery process, as well as his approach to company-building as a technical leader and founder.


                                  Join us as we discuss:


                                  1:06: How Curtis and Spenser arrived at their first startup idea, Sonalight


                                  4: 01: How they came to the conclusion that they need to pivot


                                  6: 15: How they explored different options before landing on mobile analytics


                                  9: 17: Their prototyping process which included doing interviews and creating mockups


                                  15: 44: What Curtis’s learning process looked like as he was building Amplitude


                                  22: 23: Curtis’s approach to doing research through both self-directed exploration and reaching out to experts


                                  25: 15: How he approached his role as a founder and technical leader


                                  36: 12: Amplitude’s core values and how the founders thought about creating a positive culture


                                  38: 01: How Amplitude is expanding it’s product suite to support different types of datasets


                                  41: 10: Curtis’s advice to new founders who are trying to find problems to solve


                                  Sandhya Hegde is a General Partner at Unusual Ventures, leading investments in modern SaaS companies with a focus on AI. Previously an early executive at Amplitude, Sandhya is a product-led growth (PLG) coach and mentor. She can be reached at [email protected] and


                                  Twitter - https://twitter.com/sandhya


                                  LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandhyahegde/


                                  Unusual Ventures is a seed-stage venture capital firm designed from the ground up to give a distinct advantage to founders building the next generation of software companies. Unusual has invested in category-defining companies like Webflow, Arctic Wolf Networks, Carta, Robinhood and Harness. Learn more about us at https://www.unusual.vc/.


                                  Further reading from the Startup Field Guide:


                                  Customer validation:

                                  https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/customer-validation-going-from-idea-to-sellable-product


                                  Tracking the user/buyer journey
                                  https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/self-serve-user-buyer-journey


                                  CEO/founder prioritization:
                                  https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/ceo-founder-prioritization

                                  44 min
                                • How PLG companies find product-market fit: Sandhya Hegde on product-led growth

                                  In this highlights episode, host Sandhya Hegde shares her framework for the three modes of product-led growth and how some iconic companies pursuing PLG found product-market fit: Snyk, Webflow and Nextdoor.


                                  Join us as we discuss:


                                  3.02: The three modes of PLG—fast-working (Snyk),  paradigm-shifting (Webflow), and habit-forming (Nextdoor)


                                  6: 30: How Snyk challenged the way security products were traditionally adopted by focusing on developers


                                  14: 47: How Nextdoor executed early interviews with users to build their first prototype


                                  19: 05: How Webflow built for its initial beachhead persona and differentiated itself from other existing website builders


                                  23:13: How Snyk added specific capabilities to their product to enable CISO buyers to embrace their dev-first solutions


                                  27: 51: How Nextdoor recruited founding members who would become evangelists for the platform within their neighborhoods


                                  31: 41: How Webflow engaged with customer feedback to build a first-of-its kind visual CMS


                                  37: 33: How Webflow’s CTO led growth engineering to build organic and viral awareness for their product


                                  41: 18: Lessons from how Nextdoor leveraged and cultivated community, and how to build successful communities organically


                                  45: 30: How the Snyk team was oriented around growth and evolved with their product offerings


                                  Sandhya Hegde is a General Partner at Unusual Ventures, leading investments in modern SaaS companies with a focus on AI. Previously an early executive at Amplitude, Sandhya is a product-led growth (PLG) coach and mentor. She can be reached at [email protected] and


                                  Twitter - https://twitter.com/sandhya


                                  LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandhyahegde/


                                  Unusual Ventures is a seed-stage venture capital firm designed from the ground up to give a distinct advantage to founders building the next generation of software companies. Unusual has invested in category-defining companies like Webflow, Arctic Wolf Networks, Carta, Robinhood and Harness. Learn more about us at https://www.unusual.vc/.


                                  Further reading from the Startup Field Guide:


                                  -Introduction to Product-Led Growth:

                                  https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/introduction-to-plg


                                  -Nail your self-serve product:

                                  https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/nail-your-self-serve-product


                                  -Free plan vs. free trial in PLG

                                  https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/free-plan-vs-trial-plan

                                  51 min
                                • How Harness found product-market fit: Jyoti Bansal and John Vrionis on customer discovery

                                  Harness is an emerging leader in the CICD (continuous development) space. Last valued at $3.7B in a 2022 fundraise, this is Jyoti Bansal’s second enterprise software unicorn. His first startup Appdynamics was acquired by Cisco the night before their IPO in 2017.


                                  In this episode, Harness CEO Jyoti Bansal and Unusual founder John Vrionis take us back 15 years to when Appdynamics first got started. They walk us through their learnings around customer discovery and the journey from having a unique product insight to finding product market fit. With stories from the early days of Harness, we cover:


                                  • (1:45) How Jyoti arrived at his original insight for Harness
                                  • (3:27) John and Jyoti on the Unusual Method — a rigorous playbook that they co-teach at Unusual Ventures to help founders find product-market fit
                                  • (6:33) Why cold outreach - and not friendly conversations - is the best way to validate early assumptions
                                  • (12:11) How Jyoti looked for early adopters outside Silicon Valley during the customer discovery phase
                                  • (14:08) Why doing your own cold outreach as a founder is an irreplaceable activity
                                  • (19:40) How to articulate the business value of your solution so prospects have a reason to buy
                                  • (23:28) Iterating on your messaging and ICP If you are not seeing similar patterns around the pain
                                  • (24:42) How Jyoti constructs messaging and defines the “minimum sellable product”
                                  • (29:15) The surprises Jyoti encountered during customer discovery for Harness
                                  • (31:55) Why and how exactly founders should focus on efficiency during an economic downturn

                                  • Sandhya Hegde is a General Partner at Unusual Ventures, leading investments in modern SaaS companies with a focus on AI. Previously an early executive at Amplitude, Sandhya is a product-led growth (PLG) coach and mentor. She can be reached at [email protected] and

                                    • Twitter - https://twitter.com/sandhya
                                    • LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandhyahegde/

                                    • Unusual Ventures is a seed-stage venture capital firm designed from the ground up to give a distinct advantage to founders building the next generation of software companies. Unusual has invested in category-defining companies like Webflow, Arctic Wolf Networks, Carta, Robinhood and Harness. Learn more about us at https://www.unusual.vc/.


                                      Further reading from the Startup Field Guide:

                                      • Customer Discovery: https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/outreach-playbook
                                      • Early customer outreach: https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/outreach-playbook
                                      • What are design partners?: https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/what-are-design-partners
                                      • 39 min
                                      • How LaunchDarkly found product-market fit: Edith Harbaugh on building a developer movement

                                        LaunchDarkly is a pioneer in the feature management space. Founded in 2014, while the agile and cloud movements were still relatively nascent, LaunchDarkly was ahead of its time. They have now scaled to a $3 billion company, serving over 4,000 customers.


                                        In this episode, LaunchDarkly Co-Founder and CEO Edith Harbaugh takes us back to her initial insight as an engineering manager and product leader at TripIt, deeply versed in the value of systematic feature flagging, and keenly aware of how underutilized it was by many other dev teams. She shares the conviction required to build a product that most buyers in Silicon Valley weren’t yet looking for, and how she engaged her network to gain initial design partners for the product that would come to define the feature management space.


                                        Join us as we discuss:


                                        Honing a founder insight and being early vs late to an emerging sector


                                        Hypothesis testing and building with design partners


                                        Community-building and marketing a movement


                                        Fundraising when VCs are skeptical of a new sector


                                        About Unusual Ventures — Unusual Ventures is a seed-stage venture capital firm designed from the ground up to give a distinct advantage to founders building infrastructure software and application-level companies. Unusual was founded in 2018 with the mission to reinvent the venture capital engagement model by serving entrepreneurs with an unprecedented level of hands-on services. Described as a partner versus a top-down stakeholder by its portfolio companies, Unusual is laser-focused on serving exceptional founders and teams building innovative products. With offices in Menlo Park, San Francisco, and Boston, Unusual has invested in category-defining companies like Arctic Wolf Networks, Carta, Robinhood, Harness, and Vivun.


                                        About Sandhya Hegde — Sandhya is a General Partner at Unusual Ventures, leading investments in enterprise SaaS companies. Previously an early employee and executive at Amplitude, Sandhya is a product-led growth (PLG) coach and mentor.


                                        She can be reached at [email protected] and on Twitter (https://twitter.com/sandhya) and LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandhyahegde/).


                                        Further reading:


                                        Identifying initial customers — https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/ideal-customer-profile-and-personas


                                        Early-stage pricing — https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/pricing-your-product


                                        TOOL: Founder prioritization heatmap — https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/ceo-founder-prioritization


                                        Building a self-serve motion  — https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/self-serve-user-buyer-journey

                                        42 min
                                      • How Jasper found product-market fit: Dave Rogenmoser on pivoting to AI SaaS
                                        Jasper is a leading AI-driven content platform with over 80,000 customers. Going from launch to unicorn status in 18 months, they have been one of the fastest companies to cross $1M in MRR with a new product.

                                        In this episode, Jasper Co-Founder Dave Rogenmoser shares his story of persistence, pivots, and market validation as he and his co-founders went from building a digital marketing agency to a hypergrowth AI unicorn. Join us as we discuss:

                                        • External and internal signals that it’s time to pivot
                                        • Validating startup ideas and how to let the user shape product decisions
                                        • Product-led GTM and getting users to buy a product before it exists
                                        • Building AI products and how to partner with foundation AI companies
                                        • About Unusual Ventures — Unusual Ventures is a seed-stage venture capital firm designed from the ground up to give a distinct advantage to founders building infrastructure software and application-level companies. Unusual was founded in 2018 with the mission to reinvent the venture capital engagement model by serving entrepreneurs with an unprecedented level of hands-on services. Described as a partner versus a top-down stakeholder by its portfolio companies, Unusual is laser-focused on serving exceptional founders and teams building innovative products. With offices in Menlo Park, San Francisco, and Boston, Unusual has invested in category-defining companies like Arctic Wolf Networks, Carta, Robinhood, Harness, and Vivun.

                                          About Sandhya Hegde — Sandhya is a General Partner at Unusual Ventures, leading investments in enterprise SaaS companies. Previously an early employee and executive at Amplitude, Sandhya is a product-led growth (PLG) coach and mentor. She can be reached at [email protected] and on Twitter (https://twitter.com/sandhya) and LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandhyahegde/).

                                          42 min
                                        • How Aurora Solar found product-market fit: Chris Hopper on bootstrapping climate tech

                                          Aurora Solar is a solar design platform that has accelerated small business growth in the solar energy industry. Through it, vendors and homeowners have instant access to crucial data about home solar projects.

                                          In this episode, Co-founder at Aurora Solar Chris Hopper shares how he went from installing solar panels to managing a $4B climate tech unicorn that has powered over 10 million solar projects. Join us as we discuss:

                                          • Building a product around ignored customer needs
                                        • Bootstrapping growth with SMBs for momentum
                                        • Expanding up-market in a concentrated enterprise segment   
                                        • About Unusual Ventures — Unusual Ventures is a seed-stage venture capital firm designed from the ground up to give a distinct advantage to founders building infrastructure software and application-level companies. Unusual was founded in 2018 with the mission to reinvent the venture capital engagement model by serving entrepreneurs with an unprecedented level of hands-on services. Described as a partner versus a top-down stakeholder by its portfolio companies, Unusual is laser-focused on serving exceptional founders and teams building innovative products. With offices in Menlo Park, San Francisco, and Boston, Unusual has invested in category-defining companies like Arctic Wolf Networks, Carta, Robinhood, Harness, and Vivun.

                                          About Sandhya Hegde — Sandhya is a General Partner at Unusual Ventures, leading investments in enterprise SaaS companies. Previously an early employee and executive at Amplitude, Sandhya is a product-led growth (PLG) coach and mentor. She can be reached at [email protected] and on Twitter (https://twitter.com/sandhya) and LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandhyahegde/).

                                          Further reading:

                                          • How to raise Seed and Series A capital: https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/fundraising-milestones-valuations
                                        • Building a product roadmap: https://www.field-guide.unusual.vc/field-guide-enterprise/pmf-product-roadmap
                                        • Unusual Ventures video series: the guide to fundraising: https://www.unusual.vc/post/unusual-founders-video-series-the-guide-to-fundraising
                                        • 41 min

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