A few weeks ago, Keith told the story of how Dr. Tom Ascol was a huge help in his life during one of his most difficulty moments in ministry. Today, he gets the opportunity to thank Dr. Ascol for encouraging him to stay in the fight. Also, they discuss the state of the SBC, the distinctions of 1689 Federalism and New Covenant Theology/Progressive Covenantalism, the history of the Founders Ministries, and much more.