There’s a classic answer to almost every question in web development: it depends. And of course Stephen Hay used it when I asked him my first question: what is it that makes a thing good? It’s the perfect answer for the start of a long conversation: It means there’s more than one thing to discuss.

Keep the fantasizing to a minimum

We wonder what people mean when they talk about UX-designers, or even real UX-designers. We try to figure out why accessibility is seen as a technical thing, instead of a holistic design thing. We talk about aesthetics. We wonder if there’s something like a web aesthetic, or an accessibility aesthetic and if we can use those in education. We talk about the differences between working in an agency, working as a freelance consultant, or working on a product. We talk about what makes a good conference, and what makes a good conference talk. And we talk about many many more things, like the web, and responsive design, workflows, books. And still, after more than an hour, we concluded that we have to do this again sometime in the future.