"Convention doesn't inspire"

With Jason Harmon feeling under the weather, Joey is joined this week by Don MacPherson, host of technologies podcast 12 Geniuses.

Proudly declaring that Don is 'testament to not doing normal shit', Joey quizzes his special guest on a life without convention. Don discusses his antipathy towards any sense of obligation, while raising the importance of the distinction between 'obligations' and 'commitments'.

The latter half of their conversation concerns another aspect of Don's 'life by design, not by default' philosophy: his approach to working relationships that means he only works with those he can love.