Ellie Evans, seasoned Chef People Officer, joins Louise to challenge whether HR is guilty of over-complicating things - from rebranding part-time work as "fractured roles" to dressing up internal mobility as "talent fluidity". They get into what actually makes change stick, why people management is still the biggest unsolved problem in most organisations, and how apprenticeship-style academies might be the future of graduate development. Ellie also shares her take on what HR looks like in five years - and whether it becomes more of a technology function than a people one.