Most people are overusing AI and not making the most of it for the things that really matter. Johann Wrede, CMO at UserTesting, is teaching us to go beyond simple tasks and use Claude Code and Codex - his Shiny New Objects for data driven marketers.

Learn why building the right tools, independent of the AI agent used, will improve your marketing. We also discuss the power of moving quickly, testing often, and keeping the human in the process.