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"If you think to yourself, I wonder if I should be calling a lawyer, then you need to be calling a lawyer." - Nate Orr 
 
In this episode, host Bryan Sarff welcomes Nate Orr, partner at Spencer Fane, and Kansas City's legal quarterback who connects clients to precise legal talent without the runaround. With over 25 years specializing in commercial real estate, financial, and employment law, Nate has built an unconventional fractional general counsel model. His philosophy? "Know and help people." What sets him apart is his approach to being non-billable for initial consultations and strategic planning. Nate's deep connections in Kansas City's business community make him equally likely to solve your legal problem or introduce your next big opportunity. 

The conversation dives into "successful chaos" - how entrepreneurs balance growth with risk management. Why should you structure your business like you're selling it even if you never will? What are the warning signs that scream "call your lawyer now"? They explore NIL deals transforming college athletics, AI's disruption of legal services, and cryptocurrency's regulatory maze. Nate shares his biggest career gamble that paid off and reveals the most underrated legal move entrepreneurs overlook. How do you maintain family priorities while serving demanding clients 24/7? 

 
About the Show:  
Drawing from over two decades in financial advisory services, Bryan Sarff brings a unique perspective beyond traditional wealth management. Through intellicents, he's witnessed how successful entrepreneurs struggle with the disconnect between business growth and personal financial organization. This podcast bridges that gap with actionable frameworks transforming financial complexity into strategic clarity. Each episode features candid conversations with industry leaders, family business experts, and wealth psychology specialists sharing battle-tested insights. From exit strategies to multi-generational wealth transfer, listeners gain practical tools aligning financial decisions with core values. 
 
In This Episode:  
(00:00) Nate reveals his career tagline and North Star philosophy 

(04:31) What entrepreneurs get completely wrong about attorneys 

(05:37) The risky career move that transformed Nate's practice 

(11:31) Why every business owner should think like they're selling 

(14:01) The most underrated legal move that prevents costly problems 

(21:04) Warning signs that mean you need to call a lawyer immediately 

(23:17) How NIL deals are reshaping college athletics and legal services 

(26:23) Student athletes making costly financial mistakes with NIL money 

(28:42) AI's disruption of the legal industry and intellectual property issues 

(32:08) Balancing high-performance legal work with family priorities 

 
Resources: 
Spencer Fane LLP: https://www.spencerfane.com/ 
Nate Orr's profile: https://www.spencerfane.com/professionals/nathan-a-orr/ 
Nate Orr LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanorr/ 
intellicents https://www.intellicents.com/ 
Bryan Sarff LinkedIn  https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryansarff/ 

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Why did this successful property management CEO deliberately choose a "dirty industry" for his next venture?

Host Bryan Sarff welcomes Colin Douthit, CEO of Premier Scrap Services and former owner of Atlas Property Management. Colin, a professional engineer turned entrepreneur, shares his path from corporate cubicles to building multi-million dollar companies. After being fired from two engineering jobs, he discovered his passion for freedom and time wealth. "I am wealthy because I have control over my time," Colin explains, emphasizing how entrepreneurship allowed him to coach his son's football team and serve his community while building successful businesses.

The conversation explores Colin's rapid growth from zero to 1,500 units at Atlas Property Management in under three years, the burnout that followed, and his strategic pivot to Premier Scrap Services (intellicents and Premier Scrap are unaffiliated companies). Key topics include the dangers of scaling too fast, the power of outsourcing back-office operations, and finding success in "dirty industries" where competition is lighter. Colin shares his "Into the Wind" philosophy—inspired by bison who face storms head-on—and reveals plans to triple his workforce to 300 employees while impacting over 1,000 lives.

About the Show:
Drawing from over two decades in financial advisory services, Bryan Sarff brings a unique perspective beyond traditional wealth management. Through intellicents, he's witnessed how successful entrepreneurs struggle with the disconnect between business growth and personal financial organization. This podcast bridges that gap with actionable frameworks transforming financial complexity into strategic clarity. Each episode features candid conversations with industry leaders, family business experts, and wealth psychology specialists sharing battle-tested insights. From exit strategies to multi-generational wealth transfer, listeners gain practical tools aligning financial decisions with core values.

In This Episode:
(00:00) Colin reveals the chaos behind his entrepreneurial success story

(03:01) The cubicle moment that sparked his entrepreneurial awakening

(06:17) Why Colin defines wealth as control over time, not money

(11:25) Building Atlas to 1,500 units in under three years through organic growth

(16:40) The decision to pivot from property management to industrial scrap services

(21:08) How outsourcing transformed chaos into organized success

(25:17) What attracted Colin to Premier Scrap Services acquisition

(27:39) Vision to triple workforce and impact over 1,000 lives

(29:54) Colin's advice to entrepreneurs: slow down and hire experts

(32:00) The "Into the Wind" philosophy inspired by bison facing storms

Resources:
Please note: intellicents and Premier Scrap are unaffiliated companies
Premier Scrap Services: https://premierscrap.com/
Colin Douthit LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/colindouthit/
intellicents https://www.intellicents.com/
Bryan Sarff LinkedIn  https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryansarff/

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What's the difference between the story you think defines you and the atomic story that actually transforms you? 
 
Today, Bryan interviews Chris Hare, founder of The Storied Future and creator of Atomic Storytelling™. Chris is a veteran of Amazon and Microsoft who has worked with clients from mid-market firms to unicorn executives to trillion-dollar titans. He specializes in The Storied Interview—deeply reflective conversations that help leaders uncover pivotal stories shaping their careers. His transformative work has helped a founder turn a $15K HELOC into $1.6B, guided burned-out entrepreneurs to find purpose, and assisted executives in discovering their true calling. 

The conversation explores Chris's journey from corporate marketing to Atomic Storytelling™ consulting, and how The Storied Interview process transforms leaders. They discuss Bryan's "Chaos Creek" origin story, the therapeutic power of narrative with combat veterans through Chris's Narrative on the Fly experiences, and how personal stories unlock post-exit purpose. Key themes include: legacy beyond wealth through values and lessons, how buried stories bring healing and transformation, the difference between story telling and story listening, AI scaling for executive storytelling, and how biographical interviews create powerful artifacts for leadership growth. 

 
About the Show:  
Drawing from over two decades in financial advisory services, Bryan Sarff brings a unique perspective beyond traditional wealth management. Through intellicents, he's witnessed how successful entrepreneurs struggle with the disconnect between business growth and personal financial organization. This podcast bridges that gap with actionable frameworks transforming financial complexity into strategic clarity. Each episode features candid conversations with industry leaders, family business experts, and wealth psychology specialists sharing battle-tested insights. From exit strategies to multi-generational wealth transfer, listeners gain practical tools aligning financial decisions with core values. 
 
In This Episode:  
(00:00) Chris reveals his career transition from Microsoft and Amazon to strategic narrative consulting 

(04:21) How an executive discovered that hearing his own story was transforming him personally 

(05:31) Chris explains atomic stories and why the most powerful moments are often hidden 

(16:19) Bryan shares the origin of Chaos Creek and how childhood experiences shaped his business mission 

(25:23) Why most people fail to pass down their stories in estate planning documents 

(33:07) The therapeutic power of reuniting combat veterans through storytelling and fly fishing 

(39:55) Chris unveils his AI storytelling coach and plans for scaling narrative transformation 

(43:04) Final insights on story listening versus storytelling and the transformative power of narrative 

 
Resources: 
The Storied Future: thestoriedfuture.com 
Chris Hare LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/hareforce1/ 
Barx Project (Veterans): barxproject.org 
intellicents https://www.intellicents.com/ 
Bryan Sarff LinkedIn  https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryansarff/ 

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In this episode, Bryan dives deep into Step 3 of the Value Acceleration framework with his comprehensive Value Gap Assessment. Whether you're a visionary founder dreaming of selling in 3 years or a legacy builder wanting to create something scalable and profitable, one question remains: Are you building a business that buyers actually want? Bryan's expertise in pairing human intelligence with cutting-edge technology helps entrepreneurs "organize the madness, grow the value, and exit with purpose." 
 
What do buyers really look for beyond your P&L? Bryan reveals the shocking truth. "Most business owners just focus on the financial piece," he explains, "but we want to know from a buyer's perspective, what are they worried about?" The episode covers his three-legged stool of readiness: business attractiveness, financial preparedness, and personal readiness. Here's the kicker—the biggest gaps are usually non-financial. Customer concentration risks? Competitive barriers? These hidden factors can make or break your exit value. As Bryan puts it: "We don't want the market to determine the value of your business. We want you to determine it." Why does this matter? Because assessing your value gap now can radically multiply your future options. 
 

About the Show:  
 
Drawing from over two decades in financial advisory services, Bryan Sarff brings a unique perspective that goes beyond traditional wealth management. Through his work at intellicents, he's witnessed firsthand how even the most successful entrepreneurs struggle with the disconnect between their business growth and personal financial organization. This podcast emerges from his mission to bridge that gap by providing actionable frameworks that transform financial complexity into strategic clarity.  

Each episode will feature candid conversations with industry leaders, family business experts, and wealth psychology specialists who will share their battle-tested insights. From developing robust business exit strategies to creating multi-generational wealth transfer plans, listeners will gain practical tools to align their financial decisions with their core values. Bryan's approach challenges conventional financial planning by addressing both the tactical systems and emotional intelligence required for sustainable wealth creation. 
 

In This Episode:  
 

(00:00) The ladder of transformation: step three on value acceleration 

(02:49) Three-phase approach to the value gap assessment explained 

(04:34) The three legs of exit readiness stool revealed 

(06:23) How much value do you need to create to achieve your goals? 

(07:50) Who's driving your bus- daily mindset check for entrepreneurs 

 
Resources: 
Intellicents https://www.intellicents.com/ 
Bryan Sarff LinkedIn  https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryansarff/ 

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Are you spending 60% of your time doing things you hate instead of the activities that could explode your revenue? 

Bryan Sarff, host of Successful Chaos and Personal CFO of intellicents Family Office, takes listeners back to his childhood creek in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, where cleaning up storm debris with a BB gun and BMX bike became an unexpected metaphor for helping business owners clear financial, operational, and strategic blockages. This powerful origin story reveals how his early passion for organizing chaos evolved into a proven framework for high-achieving entrepreneurs and wealth creators who crave more than just success—they want significance. 

Discover the true meaning behind "Successful Chaos" and how creek cleanup taught Bryan about cash flow optimization. This foundational episode unveils the complete Ladder of Transformation framework designed to optimize your Four Freedoms: time, money, relationships, and purpose. Whether you're a $2M founder stuck in the weeds or a $200M CEO searching for your next chapter, learn why your business feels like a rocket ship with no dashboard, and how to turn complexity into clarity through systematic wealth transformation and work-optional freedom. 

About the Show:  
Drawing from over two decades in financial advisory services, Bryan Sarff brings a unique perspective that goes beyond traditional wealth management. Through his work at intellicents, he's witnessed firsthand how even the most successful entrepreneurs struggle with the disconnect between their business growth and personal financial organization. This podcast emerges from his mission to bridge that gap by providing actionable frameworks that transform financial complexity into strategic clarity.  

Each episode will feature candid conversations with industry leaders, family business experts, and wealth psychology specialists who will share their battle-tested insights. From developing robust business exit strategies to creating multi-generational wealth transfer plans, listeners will gain practical tools to align their financial decisions with their core values. Bryan's approach challenges conventional financial planning by addressing both the tactical systems and emotional intelligence required for sustainable wealth creation. 

In This Episode:  

Resources: 

Intellicents https://www.intellicents.com/ 
 
Bryan Sarff LinkedIn  https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryansarff/ 

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Drawing from over two decades in financial advisory services, Bryan Sarff brings a unique perspective that goes beyond traditional wealth management. Through his work at intellicents, he's witnessed firsthand how even the most successful entrepreneurs struggle with the disconnect between their business growth and personal financial organization. This podcast emerges from his mission to bridge that gap by providing actionable frameworks that transform financial complexity into strategic clarity.  

Each episode will feature candid conversations with industry leaders, family business experts, and wealth psychology specialists who will share their battle-tested insights. From developing robust business exit strategies to creating multi-generational wealth transfer plans, listeners will gain practical tools to align their financial decisions with their core values. Bryan's approach challenges conventional financial planning by addressing both the tactical systems and emotional intelligence required for sustainable wealth creation. 

In This Episode:  

(00:00) Introduction to the Successful Chaos podcast concept 

(02:03) Origin story of "successful chaos" from real entrepreneur experiences 

(03:09) Common business owner pitfalls: incomplete financial and legal structures 

(05:37) Understanding entrepreneurial ceilings of complexity 

(06:54) How Bryan's team transformed four chaotic businesses, future episodes featuring strategic partners and wealth preservation strategies 

(08:50) Where to find and follow the podcast 
 

Resources: 

Intellicents https://www.intellicents.com/ 
 
Bryan Sarff LinkedIn  https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryansarff/