Robert Jenrick, shadow justice secretary and former Tory leadership contender, joins Kamal and Camilla in the studio to discuss Labour's multi-billion pound grand plans to build four new super-prisons.

The prisons will create 14,000 new places, but Justice Secretary Shabana Mahmood says we’re still going to run out of space within three years. They will also be forced through the planning process by Angela Rayner under powers that allow the objections of local towns and villages to be overruled.

Kamal and Camilla ask if forcing prisons through the planning system without properly consulting with local residents is ever a good idea.

Plus Jenrick on first-cousin marriage and whether Shamima Begum should return to the UK now that the Assad regime has fallen.

Producers: Lilian Fawcett and Georgia Coan

Senior Producer: John Cadigan

Planning Editor: Venetia Rainey

Executive Producer: Louisa Wells

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Studio Operator: Meghan Searle

Editor: Camilla Tominey

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