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SW Engineering Career Growth: The I.C. and Manager Relationship


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In this episode of The Tech Trek, host Amir sits down with Shawn Stewart, VP of Engineering at Apartment List, to unpack the complex dynamics between individual contributors (ICs) and managers. Shawn offers a deep dive into career progression, fostering growth, and building aligned high-performing teams.

This episode is packed with actionable insights for ICs and managers striving to improve their professional relationships, promote effectively, and maintain team cohesion.

Episode Highlights:

  • Understanding Manager-IC Dynamics (00:10) Shawn explains the nuances of the relationship between ICs and managers, highlighting mutual responsibilities for growth and success.

  • Career Progression and Managerial Roles (01:41) Managers play a crucial role in shaping the career paths of their team members. Shawn delves into how managers can act as career enablers, providing guidance, feedback, and opportunities.

  • Challenges in Manager-IC Relationships (03:59) Navigating conflicts, differing goals, and maintaining alignment between ICs and managers is key to a harmonious workplace.

  • Importance of Calibration and Objective Evaluations (10:45) Shawn emphasizes the need for managers to calibrate team performance and conduct objective evaluations to avoid bias and ensure fairness.

  • Promotion and Growth Strategies (16:52) Shawn shares strategies for promoting ICs effectively and highlights the importance of setting clear growth paths and expectations.

  • Actionable Advice for Managers and ICs (20:58) Practical tips for managers to build trust and lead with empathy, and for ICs to communicate effectively and take ownership of their growth.

  • Key Takeaways:

    1. Manager-IC Relationships Are a Two-Way Street Both parties must invest in understanding, trust, and open communication to thrive.

    2. Managers Are Career Enablers Their primary role is to align team goals with individual aspirations while providing mentorship and support.

    3. Calibration Ensures Objectivity Regular alignment on evaluations helps maintain fairness and prevents biases in promotions and feedback.

    4. Career Growth Requires Deliberate Effort Both ICs and managers must plan and execute career development strategies actively.

    5. Tune in to hear Shawn’s expert insights and practical advice for navigating the challenges of the modern workplace. Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and share this episode with your network!


      Shawn Stewart is a seasoned software engineer and entrepreneur with a track record of innovation and success. He began his career running his own software business and contributing to multiple startups with successful exits. As a software engineer at Sportline.com, later acquired by CBS to become CBSSports.com, Shawn earned over 15 software patents and contributed to major platforms like NFL.com, MLB.com, and the Emmy-winning March Madness on Demand. He has since led critical development initiatives at Fidelity Investments, LinkedIn, Ultimate Software, and Gusto. Currently, Shawn leads engineering at Apartment List, leveraging machine learning and generative AI to revolutionize the renter experience.
      LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/irietek/

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