November 01, 2025

Sweetgrass-Online

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A close-up of Sweet grass from the Sanctuary Ecovillage in Grand Forks, BC, Canada

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Episode Transcript

Hey there I'm Scott and this is Tangents.

Well, my mom and sister just left for her by E.

They're going to Kauai`i and they'll be there for the week.

So I will have the place to myself for the week.

I'm going to try to bank up some episodes.

I don't

know if I'm going to put them out or if I'll bank them.

I should I know bank them up

and push them out slowly over time.

But the way that I operate I probably will just

release them on the day of or shortly thereafter either way.

There should be more coming

in the nearest future than there have been for a while.

So got that out of the way.

I could have

gone although I have no job, I have no money.

And the little bit of money that I do have left over

is going to completely evaporate in about early December mid-December that the current rate.

And it's kind of something because I have done so much to reduce my burn rate.

I had the car

that I couldn't get rid of.

I had the apartment that I did eventually get rid of, but

obviously made a place to the live.

So I'm living with my sister and I rent free.

Which is complicated,

but you know I appreciate it very much.

It's a place to be.

I definitely definitely

miss having my own space and being able to control like the temperature and the light and all

that kind of stuff.

Just having a place to work and just sit and you know having control of some

stuff.

I miss that very much and I would like to have that again soon.

I don't know.

I don't want

to talk too much about that, but it is it has been difficult.

Let's just say that.

But it's

working.

It's nice spending a lot of time with my mom and her cat is slowly warming up to me,

which is he has PTSD.

His name is Snoop and after Snoop Dogg.

But he's a cute cat that he is

definitely traumatized and you can see like if I if you stay still he will come to you eventually

kind of, but he is so skittish and he's so freaked out and any kind of noise or anything.

Anyway, I don't want to I don't want to talk about that.

That's not what I'm here to talk about.

The thing I am interested in saying of courses, I reduced my burn rate so much, so much.

I'm working

in the last little bit of, well other than credit card debt, which is massive and then student

loan debt, which makes the credit card debt look like nothing.

The credit card debt, the annoying

thing about it, I'm going to talk a little bit about this, I guess.

Then I will get to the subject

at hand.

But like three years ago, three years ago, I had a company and it seemed like everything

was going well, a little bit like the summer we had a retreat and we had I think like eight,

maybe ten employees, I don't even remember, but it felt fucking good.

If everybody had to

Sonoma and sit at a nice hotel and got you know, it felt really good.

It felt like things were

on the upswing.

Finally, I was getting paid pretty decently and you know, it seemed like things were

converging and I will say and I don't blame my business partner.

I should have been paying

attention to the numbers and all those kind of stuff.

But I got sick of doing the business stuff,

I'm not a finance guy.

I don't even understand the concept of money.

I've mentioned that a couple

times, I think, and I mean that seriously.

I mean, every time I talk about this, I think it's

necessary to say.

I have an undergrad degree in mathematics.

I have a PhD in physics.

I understand

what the concept of money.

I even have an undergrad minor in anthropology and I could have done

a major in anthropology.

If I would have gone another semester, I understand the idea, you have

taken economics courses, I've taken finance.

I understand what money and currency is supposed to be.

But it's not real.

It's fucking unreal.

Even the story that people tell about it,

how like, oh, once upon a time, people used to barter for things.

The thing is, the bartering was

inconvenient.

Instead of trying to do like three layers of bartering to convert from one thing to

another thing, we just got a currency.

It's bullshit.

If you actually go to indigenous populations

that you look at historic human societies, the way that they actually operated almost entirely

were gift economies, which is to say, I have extra of something.

You need it and so I'll give it to

you.

And the reason for this, it makes a lot of sense.

If you have ever known somebody who has like a

fruit tree, like, you know, somebody who has a great fruit tree, that thing produces so much more

than one person or even one family can consume.

If you're a fisher person, you can go out and

fish.

And on one hand, this is a little different now because we've got overfishing and all those

kind of stuff.

But if you are in sort of a more natural state and you go fishing, it's easy to catch

enough fish relatively speaking for yourself and your family.

And the incremental cost of catching

a lot more and being able to give fish to other people is not that much.

And so people used to do it

and the incremental cost of growing a little bit of extra grain or growing a little bit of extra

whatever the fuck is that that much.

So it's much easier.

I mean, you look at like anything.

If you

talk to people who grow fucking cucumbers, they are annoyed by how easy they are and how much they

propagate and how many fucking cucumbers they have.

And it's like a problem.

It's like a disease

because you need to get rid of these fucking things.

Well, that's how a lot of stuff actually is.

This is something like we treat the people who grow our food, who harvest the food,

all of this kind of stuff.

So fucking horribly.

And I remember it's been years now since I saw this.

But I was watching something and I checked this out.

It's actually true.

It's not bullshit.

And basically this thing was saying that if you wanted to double not not like increment by 10% or

20%.

But if you wanted to double what the people who are picking lettuce are getting paid,

all it would cost is to add about one penny per head of lettuce.

It's not that much.

You could

make these jobs much less miserable.

You could make them actually pay well.

You could make them

actually be good jobs that are comfortable to do, that you don't even have like each person

instead of working them to death.

You let them do it kind of freely.

And you don't have to make

it fucking miserable.

And you could make a fuckload of lettuce and have plenty for everybody.

So anyway, they did going back.

They gift the economy thing.

Once you start learning about

this, it gets really irritating because it's like, okay, well that's that whole storyline that

people tell all bullshit.

And then you think about economics.

Like, if you talk to economists,

you talk to people who do this stuff or, you know, they're actually at PhDs or degrees in the

stuff.

They treat it as though they're talking about like something like energy or mass,

something that is fundamental and real.

And what really is true about currency and about money as it

exists today is that this started a long time ago, too.

A bank would take a certain amount of money,

you give them a dollar.

And that bank would use that dollar and lend out $10.

And that scale is about

right by the way.

The bank would lend out a multiple of what they've taken in.

And of course,

all the people that are borrowing those $10, they put it in a bank and now the bank has $10.

And they can lend out $100 because it's $10.

And it's a fucking fantasy.

It's completely disconnected

from any kind of reality.

All the stuff that, you know, your bank accounts, those are literally

as real as scores in a video game.

I mean, and again, I know it sounds like bullshit and you have

this whole idea that, oh well, if we just gave people money, then it would just drive up the cost of it.

No, it wouldn't.

And even if it did, you know, if you just, I mean, if you want to get extreme with

this, give everybody $100 trillion.

Now, all of a sudden, all those billionaires, those people with

hundreds of billions of dollars, inflation basically nuke them.

They're their net worth has gone

to a rounding error.

You know, everybody has way more than they had.

And they have way more than

they used to have to.

But now we have inflation and things kind of renormalize.

And it's sort of,

you know, now of course, if you keep running the game as it is, you're going to end up getting

some kind of like some people when and some people lose.

And then over time, because you're running

the same system and you're playing the same fucking game, you're going to end up with some people

accumulating more and more.

And you have the same problem.

It's just delaying it.

You have to do

something else.

You can't, you can't just operate that way.

But if you did that, it wouldn't hurt

anything.

It wouldn't change anything fundamentally.

It wouldn't, it's not like if I suddenly gave

everybody a credit card.

And every credit card that I've given you, it just has $1,000 on it,

or what, you know, $5,000, whatever it is.

And it has that much.

And at the end of the month, it just

zeroes up.

Like your credit card, you put, you can put, you can use it, you could not use it.

It doesn't

matter.

But you go out to dinner, you buy groceries, you do whatever with it.

And I'm not talking about,

you know, you be I here exactly.

But you could just give everybody a credit card, like that,

and zero it out.

And it would literally not hurt anything.

In fact, what it would do ultimately

is massively stimulate the actual economy.

It would, because all of a sudden, a bunch of small

businesses can thrive.

A bunch of businesses like restaurants start doing massive amounts of

business.

They start doing really well.

Any kind of thing that is currently in some kind of

constraint is no longer.

All of a sudden, if you want to just work on something and make art,

for example, or whatever, you could do it.

You could magically do it.

And if you have a shitty job

and that job is pointless and it's like torture, you could just tell your boss to go fuck

up yourself.

You could just, I assumed a little bit of sex there.

But you know, you could tell your

boss to go fuck themselves.

And it really wouldn't, like the only thing it would hurt is the people

who have arranged the system in such a way that they are on top and they get everybody else to work

for them and they get to be lazy asses.

Like it's the most frustrating thing, because you have these

people who have, and I don't mean to pathologize it, but it really is like a disease.

Like

there's not enough, it's this insatiable hunger to constantly have more and more and accumulate.

It's essentially like a form of hoarding and you get these people and they get a hundred billion dollars,

two hundred billion dollars.

You have the amount of money that allows you to have your own fucking

space program.

You know, you have that much money.

You have the amount of money that you could

end up individually by yourself and poverty and hunger and you don't do it.

That's the amount

of money these people have.

And it's not enough.

They're fucking poor.

They are the poorest people

on the planet.

Our people like Elon Musk and like Bezos and all these fucking assholes,

they just will never have enough.

They will never feel like it is enough.

And they have more

more of everything than anyone could ever use in a thousand lifetimes.

It's disgusting.

It's

truly disgusting.

So anyway, I don't want to, I don't want to ramble too much about that, but

when you, I say, I don't understand the concept of money.

I genuinely don't.

If you change

numbers in a fucking database, it wouldn't hurt anybody.

It would actually help things.

And

because of those numbers in a database, people starve to death.

People kill each other.

People

do all kinds of horrible things and people suffer.

Like most of the suffering on the planet now

that is not stuff like, you know, did it get a stuff that can't be stopped? There's stuff that's

very difficult to stop at least.

Diseases.

Like, you, somebody has cancer.

Maybe we don't have

the technology to do anything about it.

Maybe they have some kind of an anatomical issue that

is very difficult to correct.

Anything like that.

Those kinds of things are very difficult to fix.

But when it's like, you don't have enough food.

Well, more than enough food rocks on this fucking

planet, then it would take defeat to everybody.

Like, everybody who starts that off is a deliberate

choice.

It is absolutely violent.

It is absolutely fucking horrible.

It is absolutely unnecessary.

There's zero reason.

Any human being in this day and age should ever start to death.

There's

zero reason.

Anyone should not have a fucking house.

And I say a house.

I mean, I don't think people

should have a house because dense living is much better generally speaking.

Now, in I don't mean

like living on top of each other in this horrible situation.

And yeah, there are ways to do it

that are much better.

Like, you go to Tokyo.

And I'm not saying Japan is great.

There are obviously

lots of problems with any place.

But you go to Tokyo.

And this is a place where you have, I think

the population is like 20 million people.

I don't remember exactly.

But you have this huge population

and it literally feels like a garden in a lot of the places that you are.

It literally feels

now it's 14 million people.

Sorry.

It's not 20 million people.

I was exaggerating.

But so

it feels like a fucking like walk in the park in a lot of places.

Now there are places which are kind of

like a city.

Anyone who says city, I mean they built up in a lot of buildings and very industrial

and all this kind of stuff.

But most of this stuff, you walk around and it's like parks.

It's like trees

and little paths and it's awesome.

And it does not need to be like a fucking nightmare.

Like you

could have that many people in that kind of dense population.

And in doing that because you have

that density, you could have all these businesses.

You could have, you know, you want to eat something.

You could just walk around, not have a plan, not know where you're going to go.

And you'll

stumble by a bunch of restaurants.

You can go to a bakery.

You can go to a coffee shop.

Now not every neighborhood has all that stuff.

But you could find the lot of it.

And the thing

that's ridiculous about it also is like, I've wandered around that city, fair bit.

And you go to

even the sort of like suburbish areas, you'll find a fucking ramen shop or a soba shop.

And it will

be like for five bucks.

And I'm not even exaggerating on the prices.

For ridiculous, it'll be like

five bucks and about the best soba you've ever had.

If you're coming from the US like I am.

And that's just like a normal lunch.

That's not a big deal.

Now you can, you could certainly go,

like, I, there are restaurants there where it'll be sushi and it's hundreds of dollars.

But you could get pretty good food and pretty comfortable situation and live in a

situation where, and I'm not saying go to Tokyo, please.

But I am saying, you know, like,

you can have a place where it's actually nice and livable and you have public transit and all

those kind of stuff.

That's how it should fucking be.

You can have a place where you have

universal healthcare.

Like, nobody needs to die because they don't have fucking health insurance

or because they don't have enough money to pay for healthcare.

It's ridiculous.

It's, again,

just like food.

It's not a real scarcity.

The only real scarcity that is there

at all is that we don't have enough doctors.

And the reason we don't have enough

doctors is not because of how enough people who are qualified and capable want to go to medical

school.

It's because all of the medical schools deliberately create scarcity.

They don't want to

have too many doctors because if you have too many doctors, then the amount of money that a doctor

can command is not that much.

It's not like a massively rare profession.

It's something, and of course

in doing this because they've done that because they've created this artificial scarcity.

And yeah,

it's not like you could just turn this on.

It just to be clear.

You would have to open the, you know,

you grow the programs slowly over time, get more and more people in medical school.

And then

the residency programs you have to deal with, you have to fund them somehow.

There are, there are

logistical programs.

It's not like a trivial thing, but you could have suddenly, in five or

ten years, a hundred times more surgeons and doctors.

You could have all these people, not only

having, you know, that many more people that are capable and qualified, they could be working 30

hours a week and doing a much better job.

Imagine what you could, like, I understand you're a doctor,

you're like, oh, I need to make $500,000 a year.

I need to make $700,000, or whatever the

fucking, you know, and it's never enough.

It's not, again, this disease of our culture, of our society.

And I'm not trying to pathologist it, but it is kind of a disease that you can never be sight,

satisfaction.

You can never be satiated.

If you just did this, you would have so many more doctors,

anyone who needs medical care could get it.

And not just from a person who chose a profession that

they thought was going to pay them well, but from a person who wanted to be a doctor.

Like there

are so many people who want to be doctors.

Their aspiration in life is just to help people just

to do medicine.

Like that is a thing.

There are so many people I know, personally, who,

like their aspiration was to work in research.

Like I know a bunch of people who went to my

fucking, that got PhDs with me, people who, and I don't mean they like, I knew one guy,

almost said his name, I'm not going to say his name, but I knew one guy who started the program with me,

and then he washed out.

Maybe there were other people, he's the only one that I know of

specifically.

It wasn't a surprise that he washed out, but he didn't make it through.

But most of

the people in my program who started got PhDs and not many of them actually got academic jobs.

A lot of them wanted to do research, a lot of them wanted to do stuff, but they couldn't do it,

because there's no funding.

There's not like a lie, it's frustrating because these are people

who would have been very good researchers.

They're not like incompetent people.

They're not

people who are incapable, or they're not people who are not hardworking.

They're not people who

aren't going to do a good job, or don't want to.

They're not people who are lazy,

although, again, being lazy, you should not preclude the ability to have food and shelter

and medical care and all that kind of stuff.

But these are people who would actually make massive

contributions to society, and they can't.

And I think about this all the time, because

though, that's physics, right? But there are lots of people who would do that kind of stuff

for say, drum discovery.

And drum discovery, it's like one of the things about all of this kind

of basic research is you don't know which particular line of research is going to lead to something

to a met a massive discovery, but you do know if you do enough basic research with absolute certainty,

some of it will strike gold.

Some of it will actually work out.

And so I think about this drug

discovery thing, if you had thousands more tens of thousands more PhD researchers working on

drug discovery, we would have so many better drugs.

And I don't mean, you know, like hallucinogens

and things like that, although I'm probably, but I mean also like antibiotics.

We'd probably

have much better antibiotics.

We'd have other classes of antibiotics that don't exist now.

But the most important one that I think about a lot is my mom is on blood thinners.

And prior to being on blood thinners, she used to have, I guess it wasn't aspirin.

It was

IVU pro from, but she used to take that every day.

And her back was actually manageable.

She could walk

and be comfortable and not be in pain.

And she said chronic back pain, since I was, I think

in like third grade, because she fell and broke her back and was in a hospital bed in the

house for like six months.

And since then has had chronic back pain.

That was a long time ago.

But she was taking IVU pro for every day.

And her back pain was actually pretty good.

It was,

you know, it was still there.

But it was manageable.

It was tolerable.

And then she got on

these blood thinners and you can't be on IVU pro for any more.

So now she's got the pain again.

But you think about this, there are absolutely no.

I am certain that there are things that you could

find drugs that would work.

Simple, small molecule drugs.

I don't mean like complicated.

You

need 15 things.

Oh, maybe those kinds of things also would exist.

But you know, a single small

molecule drug, there is some chemical that you could take that would help her pain and not conflict

with those blood thinners.

There's absolutely also some small molecule you could make and take.

That would, for example, stop pain in general.

Like, you know, give you not like an opiate where

you can tolerate the pain, but just shut off pain, shut off burning, shut off whatever, you know,

sensation.

There are drugs like that that are in the space of possibility.

And I say that

and obviously like you don't know, you can't prove that something exists.

I would say the probability

of it not being the case is roughly, you know, it's that zero or it's that it's not guaranteed

not to be zero, but it's so close to being zero that it might as well be zero.

I can't say that it's

I can't say it absolutely exists, but it almost certainly exists.

Now it almost certainly exists.

And if it doesn't exist, there's something else that would work and be able to do about the same

thing.

Maybe there's some other, maybe there's some way to treat the stuff that she's got.

Maybe there's something that you could do that would make her feel better and not just be like a

chronic sort of drug that you have to be on the rest of your life, but actually could help you.

Those kinds of things absolutely potentially exist.

And we're missing out on them.

There are so many things that just are unnecessarily worse than they have to be because we don't

have people working on the stuff that they might be working on.

And it annoys the shit out of me to

think about it.

Like I think about, I started when I left ASU, and when I worked at ASU before,

also, I don't want to get into that originally, but it was frustrating that I was trying to

build towards something.

And part of it was because I wanted to be a director, although I didn't

really want to run stuff, but I kind of wanted to.

But also partly, I just wanted to build something,

like a statewide super computing partnership kind of thing.

And I was trying to get an infrastructure

grant that tried to do some stuff.

And then some Jackass, who was fucking incompetent,

and was already a professor making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

Tenured professor,

asshole, making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

He weasled his way in, got to be the

director, and sailed that fucking thing that I was working at into the ground, which is why I

quit that job.

I quit that job because I was fucking miserable in it after he started doing this.

And I still, I took like nine months, I wound down the stuff I was working on.

You know,

it wasn't like an abrupt, I quit.

But I did that, and then I started thinking about what I wanted

to work on.

And I came up with an idea, and I still have this idea, and it's annoying to me,

because this was like 2013.

If I was working on this shit from then till now, and when I say

working on it, I mean, you have been tinkering with it in the background, but if I was actually

like seriously working on it, I had the resources, and especially team, and all those kind of stuff

to do it, I would be so far along by now.

But instead, I spent that time trying to find other ways

to like make money, trying to find other ways, and I worked on like just the most ridiculous shit

for people, designing products for people who have terrible ideas, and all of these people that

have these terrible ideas, it's not like they're not inventors that are like, I have this problem

that I need to solve.

This is why they're terrible ideas, by the way.

They're not people who are

going like, this thing really fucking bothers me.

And I'm sure, even if you don't know that

a bothers other people, it probably does, because if it bothers you, you're not unique, you're not

a snowflake.

So if a bothers you, it's bothering a lot of people.

And you think about it, and you're

like, I need to fix this.

That's how you get good ideas, right? These are people who are

working backwards, and they're like, oh, well, I really badly, you know, and they're all people

with a lot of money, like a lot of money compared to most people, but not like a lot of money,

a lot of money, like doctors, they have tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, and they're like

small millions of dollars, but they want to be like, they want to ten exit, they want to be

a hundred millionaire, and then the hundred millionaire wants to be the billionaire, and the

billionaire wants to be the hundred billionaire.

They're all like, nobody's fucking satisfied in the

system.

And these people are looking at that, and I'm like, oh, I just, if I just make up something,

then I can become super rich, and then I'll be happier.

I don't know what the story is that

they're telling themselves, but they come up with these fucking terrible ideas.

And the problem is,

of course, I was in a desperate place.

I needed to work on, or I needed to work on stuff.

I wanted

to work, I had plenty of stuff to work on.

This is the thing that fucking pisses me off as much

as anything, because I am not a lazy person.

I'm somebody who's actually quite motivated, and I'm

able to, I'm quite capable.

I'm not the be, like, sucking my own dick too much, but I'm actually

pretty capable of doing a lot of stuff.

I'm pretty good at some of the stuff that I do.

I'm not,

you know, like, I'm actually, I would hire me.

I might not, because I'd be a pain in the ass.

I really would, and I'm not saying the, yeah, I'm not saying I'm a bad worker if a bad attitude,

but I definitely, I have, I will work on stuff if I find it interesting and if I find it,

like, valuable and meaningful.

And when it's stuff that is just, you know, like, doing some

turn-and-crank for a paycheck, I'm much less motivated.

I'm much less happy about it.

But,

yeah, I would still probably hire me for a lot of stuff.

But that being said,

I would work on a lot of stuff that would be much more valuable to people.

I have,

I have less crappy ideas than these people.

And part of it is because I am bothered by things,

and I know how to fix them, and I know what you can do, and I know how you get, I have, like, a

road map to it, and I can actually do some stuff.

And it pisses me off that I have been working on

these fucking ridiculous shit, these ridiculous ideas for people.

I'm not going to specifically

go into them, because I, I think the NDAs have probably actually lapsed on most of the stuff already,

but they're terrible.

Like, pretty much everything that I've worked on in the past that was for

somebody else was not a good idea.

It was not something that was worth putting time or effort into.

And it was literally just somebody wanted to be, they wanted an invention.

They wanted to make more

money.

They wanted to get like a little bit bigger, nesting, and, you know, they wanted to have a

second house.

They wanted to have whatever fucking luxury that they, but whatever it was, that drove

them to come up with, okay, well, I've got to think of something.

Here's this terrible idea that I have,

and they're not going to pay enough to actually develop it.

This is the other fucking annoying thing

about this.

They're not going to pay like the cost to actually like make a product to make something

that is a consumer product that has all the certifications you need, that has all the stuff that you

is expensive.

It's fucking expensive.

Like companies spend regularly to develop new products,

millions of dollars, and they'll have a team of people, and it's not just the team of people,

but it'll be a team of people who've done it over and over and over again.

They're not people who

were just like one-offing stuff.

And so you're coming in, and you're like, I have this

terrible idea, but I have $10,000.

Here's $20,000 for you.

Here's even $100,000, which people don't

want to part with, but like $100,000 sounds like a lot of money, and it is a lot of money,

but when you start going into actual product development, it's enough to make like a for a simple

mechanical or electrical device.

It's enough to get to like some prototype stuff.

It's enough to

maybe make a small pre-production run or something.

Depending on what it is, you might be able

to get someplace, but it's probably not going to get you to a volume product.

It's probably

not going to get you to something that is actually cheap to manufacture, that is reliable,

that is durable, that is a quality product.

And if you look at companies like Apple,

that make things, they'll spend $10,000,000,000 dollars, billions of dollars working on new product

development.

And even then, even then, the thing that comes out will be like the Vision Pro,

which is, I will say, there are some things about it that are kind of magical, and then there are

some things about it that are terrible.

And it's fucking annoying that you can spend that much money

on this thing that is kind of a not great idea.

You can feel with that product.

I can't

talk about the people that I've developed so far, but I can talk about the Vision Pro.

And the

watch, frankly, these are products that I feel like Tim Cook thought that, you know, like,

Steve, and I have mixed feelings about Steve.

I'm not saying Steve is a great guy, but

Steve had some kind of capability.

He doesn't play the instruments, but he's playing the orchestra.

I don't think that's a completely bullshit thing.

I don't want to give him too much credit also,

but I think that there's something to be said.

He's actually pretty good at this kind of stuff,

or was.

But, you know, you have Tim Cook.

And Tim Cook is not.

Tim Cook is not really,

he's very, as far as I know, as far as I understand, as far as I've heard from people,

he's extremely good at operations and supply chain.

And, you know, he was, I don't want to say

magical at it, but really great at it.

In terms of great by the metric of making a lot of money,

having things be efficient and quick in all this kind of stuff.

He was good at that.

And he's not

a product guy.

He's not a, like, idea guy.

And so he tried to come up with some shit.

And he's got

the watch, which, it's just like, why? It's just, I don't understand the point of this product.

Like,

why do you have this product that you spent, again, they probably spent into the billions of

dollars to develop it.

I haven't looked at the history, but I would say, over the course of many

years, certainly over the course of all the versions of it that they've had, they've spent that

much.

But even for the initial product development, they probably spent a ridiculous, ridiculous amount

of money developing that thing.

And you can tell because you look at all of the, like,

just the assembly of that thing, which is not great for disassembly or, you know, maintainability

or, any, anything like that.

But the assembly of it is a lot of complex tiny pieces that are

very dense.

You have circuit boards that are very dense.

You have ICs that are very dense and

custom.

And everything is just like so.

And you have these mechanical modules that kind of go in

there and they all click together.

And it's, it's a pretty, you know, you think about the number

of teams, not just individual people, but teams that worked on that thing.

And then don't even,

don't even get into the fucking software.

Like, think about how much work went into the software

and then also, I mean, you're like, the, the, the OLEDs.

So you've got contract work from other

companies doing this kind of stuff and figuring out the bezels and figuring out how do you do the

CNC milling on the glass and how do you, how do you do all this, all of that kind of stuff

easily billions of dollars, billions of dollars to make that thing.

And your idea is to make some

little crappy product.

And you want to spend a tiny amount of money on it, which, you know,

and again, I'm pretty good.

I'm pretty efficient.

But I can't magically, you know, I'm one guy

or we had a small team at one point.

Couldn't magically do like too much.

And again, these people

would not want to pay enough money, would not understand.

And part of that I understand is

your fault, my fault being that you're not explaining to people like you.

This is how this is going

to go.

This is what you need.

And this is how far this is going to get you.

This is how far you have

to go.

And never mind also, like, you get people that want to do like medical devices and things like this,

because a consumer product with a battery in it, just doing that, even if you're using pre-built

modules, everybody wants to make it really tiny, everyone wants to make it, and if you make it tiny,

you have to do custom stuff.

And if you make custom stuff, you have to get like the battery

certified and tested.

You have to do, you have to know how to design a battery, so it's not

going to burst into flames, or just expand and push things apart.

And, you know, because there are

a lot of things that can happen to lithium ion batteries that aren't just burning up.

All

of burning up is definitely not a thing you want to have to happen.

But having all that stuff work,

understanding how to integrate it, understanding, oh, well, you know, like 95% of these batteries

are going to be within these this volume brandar.

But some of them, just because of process controls,

are going to be a little bit bigger.

And some of them are not going to fit in the module that you

made.

Now you're going to either waste them, or you're going to have to design around that,

or you're going to have to do.

And you start figuring stuff like this out when you start scaling it up.

And you think about, like, that's the battery.

That's the fucking battery.

And that's going to be

something that depends on, like, whatever product you're making.

How much, how much are you trying,

or how big is the battery? How much are you charging it? How many cycles is it supposed to work for

how much current draw or power dissipation is there? What is the environment that it's operating at?

And, you know, you think about, you got that, and then you look, the simplest fucking thing.

You have a battery.

You have a simple control board, which has the battery charger on it,

which has microcontroller, some kind of sensors, or actuators, or whatever.

And then you have

the enclosure housing for all that kind of stuff.

And your options are, you can get pre-built modules

that are, even if they're dense, they're not going to be, like, this was another thing that annoyed

me.

We worked on this project for one group of people.

And because they wanted, they actually had

decent budget, but not a great budget.

And they were people who were coming from a company that

understands something about, like, what is involved in this kind of stuff? Because of all that

kind of stuff, the thing that we made was a pretty big thing.

It was, I was not happy with it.

But we did considering the fact that we're using off the shelf parts, off the shelf actuators,

off the shelf, everything, and then you know, making our unboard and enclosures and all that kind of stuff.

We had it about as small as you could make it with those constraints, but it was still too big.

It was still kind of foggy.

It was not great.

We had to do, like, two part molds for stuff.

And yeah,

you just look at that and it's like, it's not great.

It's annoying.

It's annoying.

When you look

it stuff that is really highly consumer-polish kind of stuff.

That, like, the amount of time

and money and effort that goes in to just figuring out the enclosure, or figuring out how things

get assembled, that figuring out how they get flashed, and how they, like, all of the steps,

figuring out how you do all the QA on this stuff.

All that kind of stuff takes a lot of money.

Building a test chick.

This is another thing people never want to fucking pay for.

But designing

the test systems for your product probably costs as much to make as the product itself that

if you're going to do it well, especially if you're doing it for volume production,

it's your essentially designing a second product.

Now, there are things where people who do this

they'll, they do it a lot, and so some of it is kind of, you know, just cookie cutter stuff.

But when you're really, like, if you're building something and you want to make sure,

you can actuate it mechanically, or do, like, some kind of simulated test, or whatever,

it is.

That kind of stuff takes time.

It takes effort.

It takes money.

And nobody wants to pay for it.

And again, this is all for a product that is probably in most of these cases.

There were some

things that I worked on that actually I found kind of interesting, and I thought were good ideas.

But for the most part, shitty idea, not enough money, and you're not going to be happy with

whatever we get to.

And then you're certainly not going to pay, you know, at 10 times more

than you already gave, to get from there to a final product.

And you're also not going to pay,

you know, I mean, just doing the engineering and design work for something is expensive.

But getting the tooling, if you want to make, like, people aren't like, I want to make this volume

product.

I'm going to sum millions of them.

Okay, when you're making millions of something,

just getting a fucking tool cut to do injection molded plastic for it.

Not fucking cheap.

You

get a steel tool cut.

It is expensive.

And that will, you know, have a certain life to it.

And also,

as you shoot more and more parts out of that, especially if you're using, like, glass filled

nylon or something, that's going to wear, you know, even if you're using just anything,

thermal cycles, all this kind of stuff is going to wear it down over time.

It has a finite life.

And the tolerance is going to get sloppy over time.

And you want to build stuff and you want to

figure out, it's like, everything has to fit just together, and everything, it's all hard,

it's all expensive.

And nobody wants to pay for it.

And again, the idea is crappy, and most of

these cases, because you're not building something to solve a real problem.

And you look at

just this, it was so frustrating.

I spent so much time.

And to be fair, I figured out how to do

a lot of stuff pretty cheaply.

I figured out how to, like, I'm not saying it was a complete waste of

time and effort, but at the same time, all that time that I spent on those projects, if I would have

worked on my own shit, I would be done with so many things that are so much cooler by now.

I would have products out that would be like, I would like to say, pretty high volume products,

things that people would actually be using and finding useful.

And even if they weren't,

you know, they even small volumes for some of these things, it'd be enough that I could just live

comfortably.

And which is really fundamentally, this is another, I haven't even gotten to the

sweet press.

This is, it's funny.

I'm 40 minutes into this.

I haven't even gotten to the thing

I wanted to talk about, I will, I will get to do it, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna talk a little bit

more about like venture capital and private equity in this kind of stuff.

I'm gonna make this

like the super abbreviated version.

I will make one of these on PE.

I'm gonna make it note to myself

about that right now.

But because PE is a whole fucking topic of itself.

And I guess, in some ways,

I'm glad that I was never able to raise a mass of the amount of money because the VCs will push

you to do just ridiculous shit and it'll be terrible.

And, you know, it's different if you have

enough of a resource to do development.

Like the stuff that I want to make for the most part,

it'd be years of development.

It would be a significant amount of time and effort invested in it.

And, and, and, and, expense to, to get parts made and, you know, like doing, doing stuff that's not cheap.

Um, but anyway, getting, getting back to that.

Um, I, I'm just thinking, I'm gonna, I'm gonna,

I'm gonna leave that subject for now because it's, it's, it's annoying me just to think about.

But,

the amount of stuff that, uh, they're not just looking back at how many things I did

to, to make shit for people that never ended up converging because they would, again, you know,

I'm, I'm working for this person who's not gonna pay enough to, to get it into any kind of

volume production.

They're making something that nobody's actually going to buy.

And, you know,

it's just, like, just that end shit that was a waste.

And it's frustrating.

It's very frustrating.

It's making me sad.

It's like so much fucking time spent on building shit like that.

I, I should have been, I should have just been figuring out how to do it myself.

I, I, you know,

I don't even know what I could have done.

I don't know how I could have gone a different path and made that work.

But what I do know is actually, like, things should just be such that, you know, you can,

you could just live.

You could just have a place.

And I, like, I don't need a fucking mansion.

I need a kitchen that's decent.

That, like, extravagant.

But, you know, like, I can cook there.

A fridge, a stove, a sink, a place to the sort of chill, a bed, a bedroom.

And a little place to work.

Yeah, I could, I'm, I'm in my sister's place right now.

And I'm in the, I'm in, it's a three-level place.

The level I'm in, if I had this much space as an apartment, and it was kind of partitioned a little bit,

I'd actually probably be fine.

I, it would be nice to have, like, maybe a little bit more, but I could,

yeah, you have a bedroom, a bathroom, all that stuff, and you could just be comfortable.

That's, that's the stuff that I want.

I don't need, I mean, it would be nice to be able to fly.

I like flying, but also, you know,

what flying is kind of silly.

And I, I, I thought a lot about this.

I don't think that it's a great thing

for anybody to be doing.

Even if it was completely, like, you have micro-nuclear reactors or something,

and flying doesn't have a huge environment, the limping, or whatever it is.

Even if that was the case,

and it was safe, which it's not.

I mean, it's relatively safe, but, you know, flying a small airplane,

there's a lot of stuff you could, they could go wrong with a small single-engine plane.

Like, you know, even if, even if it was perfectly safe, even if it was free, even if there's no really

environmental cost, I don't know that it's a great thing for people to be flying, really,

not unnecessarily.

It's nice to have clear skies.

It really is.

Anyway, but, you know,

I'm just saying, like, I would want to travel a little bit, traveling is nice, but,

there, I don't need, like, massive extravagances.

I don't need ridiculous luxury stuff.

I want the stuff that I need to work, the stuff that I need to be comfortable.

That's kind of it.

And there's this thing, that this is going to be the end of this part, but there's this idea

that people in VCE and NPE look at very derisively, and this is what they call the

air quotes lifestyle business, which is a business that is actually a productive, profitable

business.

This is what the people in private equity think is terrible.

It's a business that is,

you know, like, paying you a comfortable salary, paying maybe a small team of people,

a comfortable salary, having, you know, whatever, what it pretty is, it's like a mom and pop shop,

or a little engineering company, or a little whatever, and, you know, you're actually doing good

stuff, and you have enough money that you're comfortable, and that people are comfortable.

That is a lifestyle business, and, you know, the people who are VCEs, who mostly are terrible,

you know, like a horrible judgment, they don't know what the fuck they're doing.

A lot of these people,

you know, VCE is a derisive term, I had to me, and I'm not just sour grapes, I think that there

is just my opinion of the people that have met in that domain, not fucking grape, but anyway,

coming back.

That lifestyle business actually is a fucking good thing.

It's, you know, like,

mom and pop shops are a good thing.

At this idea that you have to have one guy, one guy who's at

the top of, like, all of the money that was going through a hundred thousand lifestyle businesses,

and that's all coming into one person.

Jeff Bezos doesn't need that.

Think about all of the stores.

Think about how much nicer it is, to have all those different stores, to have all those, like,

local grocery stores, to have local specialty shops.

They, you know, that's something that you should

put money into.

We should put resources into, like, Paris puts money into bakeries.

And it's good.

It makes it nice if you are in Paris, you can walk around, and there's a fucking Petisserie,

and a Boulangerie within a couple blocks of wherever the fuck you are.

And it's probably pretty good.

It's probably, it's probably actually pretty good.

It might not be great, but it's not going

to be terrible.

And, you know, even if it's not the best, there's going to be another one in a few

blocks.

And yeah, it's just, it's, it's a much better place.

It's a much better way to make things work.

It's a much better way to live.

So this gets, anyway, coming finally back to this week grass.

The thing that, I'm going to give you a little motivation for this, a little explanation of

what got me to this.

And I feel like I'm, I don't know if anybody's going to get 47 minutes

under this thing and actually keep listening.

But now I'm talking about this week grass.

I should put chapter markers on it.

But I need to figure that out.

I really, I tried putting them

on one, and it didn't work.

And then I kind of temporarily, at least, gave up, but I will work on

chapter markers one day, but probably not today.

The thing that got that gets me, and this is

something that I've thought a lot about for a long time.

But it's not that expensive.

Like, if you

want to have a personal website, you can get certainly obviously do like square spaces,

or something like that, which is not cheap.

It's, I think, you know, 30 bucks a month or something.

I don't know how much, I know there are hosting things that are cheaper.

But, you know, you're

paying 10, 20, 30 bucks a month.

And the traffic that you're getting, isn't that really that much?

It probably doesn't justify it for most people.

So you're, you're not using that much worth of

storage or capacity or anything.

And you could, you could do co-hosting, you could do a lot of stuff.

But, I'm just saying, there are ways that you could do this under the current circumstances

that you have your own thing.

And it's not that expensive.

It's attainable, attainable to one

person or a small group.

And even if you have a decently busy sort of thing, it's tens of bucks

or a hundred bucks or even two hundred bucks a month.

That kind of hosting, you could probably pay

for.

That kind of hosting, you could kind of manage.

The problem is, say you make something that's

really popular.

And if you make something that's really popular, you get a lot of traffic.

And if you

get a lot of traffic, that takes a lot of bandwidth, that takes a lot of resources.

And as it

gets more and more popular, the bandwidth requirements, the costs of operating that, go up and

up and up and up.

And so as, you try to make a Facebook essentially or a MySpace.

MySpace is probably

closer to what I'm thinking about here.

But anything like that, if you're building a small version

of it, it's not that big of a deal.

You can totally do it.

And you can even like, it's hard

to build things that are scalable, but it's not that hard.

It's stuff that is well understood.

It's stuff that, you know, especially if you have people who are experts at it, you could figure it

out.

So you could build stuff that can scale.

The problem is the cost of its scaling.

And if you

start getting to the scale of like a Facebook, that's literally hundreds of millions, billions of

dollars a year, just in operations.

Just in the stuff to host that shit is very, very expensive.

And this means that somehow you have to pay for it.

And if you're paying for it, well,

there are a lot of options.

There are a couple of things you could do.

One is you get people to pay.

And the individual, like the the cost of hosting Facebook, per Facebook user or Twitter or whatever,

not that expensive, you know, it's like low single digit dollars per month.

If even that,

order of that.

So in principle, you could probably get people to pay that.

But the problem is,

you've established, you've grown based on doing something for free.

And there's a thing where people,

like if they get something for free, and all of a sudden, you start charging for it, they're not too

excited about it.

They're not, they're not really happy about that, generally speaking.

And so you have this issue that people don't really want to pay for it.

And somehow you have to make

money.

And of course, somehow, because you live in this society that we have, you probably want to

make a lot of money.

You probably don't want to just have the team that is because you could develop

something like Facebook with tens of people, hundreds of people, maybe even thousands of people,

even for global scale.

You need a lot, like for moderation and things like this.

You probably need a

lot of people.

But to do this software development, to do like just managing stuff and making things

work, you don't need that many, that many people.

It's something like that kind of thing is a low fixed

cost.

And the operations are a growing cost that scale with the number of users.

Maybe even scale

worse than the number of users, because it's not just the number of people, it's the number of

connections that you have that you have that you have to deal with.

And so each person you add to

the network, you're kind of getting some kind of a, at least the quadratic sort of thing if not worse.

But you can kind of think, like as you get more and more users, it gets more and more expensive.

And however it does it, whether it's linear or not, it's not great.

Even if it's logarithmic,

it's not great.

But especially if it's not.

So anyway, it's more and more expensive.

How do you pay for

that? But there are a couple of options that people always land on.

One of them is ads,

and ads are fucking terrible.

I think ads are one of the bans of modern society.

And also,

I watch a lot of YouTube, and I'm probably, I probably should stop it because I can't fucking

stand it.

And I look at the stuff that I watch, the stuff that I want to watch and that I continue to watch,

I have maybe a dozen people that I follow, like Blondie Hacks, this old Tony,

trying to think of Blanco-Lario, Blondie Hacks again.

I came back to her.

I didn't need to do it twice,

but you know, she popped in there.

EEV blog.

Yeah, there, I can't think of his name, federal,

the guy who does all of the.

There are a number of people like this that I watch, and I enjoy

their stuff, and I find it useful and interesting.

But I don't want to watch just random shit from random people.

And most of it's serenotics, she's great.

Most of it, Anne and Reburn.

I love her.

She's great.

But most of the stuff on here that it's filling it, is just this AI-slop crap.

Now,

an audible air quotes AI, I should, you know, I don't like that people call it AI, but never mind that now.

It's just garbage.

It's just fucking garbage.

And it's just like this thing that they keep

expanding.

University day, Fraser King.

He's great.

I like it.

But it's just more and more garbage.

And it's the thing that, you know, and then you watch stuff, and you get your options,

if you're a consumer, or to pay for the premium, which in principle, I kind of like I paid for premium

for a long time.

It's not that much a month.

I think like half of what you're paying is going to the

people that are making stuff.

I wish it was more, but yeah, that half is not bad.

And I felt good about

it.

But then Facebook or Facebook, then YouTube started doing this shit where instead of showing

me this stuff from the people that I was following, they kept mixing shit in there.

They did,

actually, I mean, mixing stuff and wouldn't be so bad, but they're not showing me stuff

from the people that I'm following.

Like I had to go to people's pages to see when they put new stuff

up.

And this happened for a long time.

And it got so annoying to me that I stopped paying for

and also like I lost my job and things got paying for premium became, it went from being like a

no brainer like we in this lock to like, oh shit, that's a lot of money.

I don't really want to

be spending that much amount.

And so I go back and I get the ads.

And the ads on there are so

fucking horrible.

Like I don't think that they're selling anything.

I don't think, I really

increasingly think that modern ads are a scam that are being run against, yeah, it's like layers of

scam that are being run against the people who are doing the advertisements.

So there's a agency that's

taking money, that the people that are making the thing that producing the ads, they're taking money

from people.

There are a lot of people like the network, YouTube, whoever.

They're taking money

from people.

They're pushing the stuff out.

And they don't really give a shit, who sees it?

I mean, this is one of the things that's striking that like I'll get ads for shit that I'm never

ever, ever, ever, ever going to buy.

Or I wouldn't even consider.

I mean, if I see the ad, I'm not going

to buy it anyway.

But even without seeing the ad, it's not a thing that I would consider buying.

Yeah, it's fucking horrible.

And I think part of this also is they deliberately, you know,

in addition to all those scams, they deliberately want to show you stuff that's annoying

so that you'll get the premium.

Because the premium, if you look at the recurring revenue,

the ad revenue per user, Arbu, from those ads, it's actually smaller than what you get from having

somebody on premium.

So they want you to be on premium.

They're incentivized to get you to not see

the fucking ads, which is probably not a great situation if you're one of the people doing

the ad, like you're paying them to do ads.

Probably not great.

So anyway, they do this.

And it sucks.

It's terrible.

And so your options are, again, ads get people to pay, or I guess you can sell

user data somehow, or manipulate people for money.

That's the sorts of things you can do.

None of them are good.

None of them are things that I think anyone should be subjected to.

So the thing that occurs to me, or I'm sure a lot of people have had this realization,

but something that I've been working on.

Individually, if you want to have a website,

most people are not really getting a lot of traffic.

Most people have a website up and you might,

you want it to be there.

You want it to be able to, like somebody goes to it, they can see stuff,

but they're probably not, you're probably not getting tens of people watching it.

You're probably

not getting hundreds of thousands of concurrent users for sure for most things.

You're not getting that much.

So you get a lot of excess capacity with your website, even if you're paying for it.

And then

you have other people who are putting up stuff like freezer came, and they're getting a lot of

stuff where it's kind of very expensive.

And if their thing gets super popular, then you're paying

a lot more.

If you're building something that's a Facebook competitor, you're paying an intractable

amount of money.

And so the thing that I was thinking and kind of seems to me like an obvious thing

is that what you should do is build sort of a peer-to-peer network that essentially does the

stuff that AWS does, but in a way that it's kind of abstracted away from any of these particular

providers.

And if you do that, you can get the hosting, both for data and for communications and

all this kind of stuff.

And you can share it between people.

Think about that share it between people.

And so this idea is basically you build this infrastructure.

And this infrastructure is such that

I can have a managed version that I'm running for people.

Somebody also, if they want, they could

start a business that's just doing management for these kinds of things.

It's going to be open-source

and they could be in the same network.

Or people, if you want, you can have your own fucking

thing and you just pay for it.

You could just host it wherever.

You could, you know, if you

went a monkey with it, you could do that.

And all of these things, you have a couple of problems.

So you don't want to just host everything.

I don't think that's a good thing.

And I don't think

you, you don't want to platform Nazis.

You don't want to build the Nazi bar.

So one of the things that

I think is very important here is to have a sort of explicit social contract.

I've had a lot

about moderation for a long time.

And I get really annoyed with the way that most people implement it.

I think the reason that it sucks in most cases is a lot to do with the, basically, people don't

really, I mean, if this is just my general problem with the way education is today, but education

has become vocational training.

And when I say that, I mean, even like PhD level education,

but especially, if you're just doing undergrad, people go to business school, they never take

a fucking ethics course.

They never take a philosophy course.

They never take an art course.

They never take art appreciation or anything.

And so they don't appreciate this stuff.

And so you

get people at the same with computer programming.

They never take a fucking ethics course.

They're,

they're going to see us degree.

Never take it in a fucking ethics course.

Never have taken

philosophy of law or justice.

And so you have a bunch of people with business degrees, these finance

bros, and tech bros who don't know anything about justice.

They don't know why it's important

to have transparency.

Why it's important to have due process.

They don't know why it's important

to actually be able to muster a defense for yourself, or to be able to face your accuser,

or any of the other things that we just, you know, are just kind of general principles.

And they also don't understand things like having a social contract.

And the social contract to me

is sort of, I don't know, I used to think a lot about this idea of the paradox of tolerance,

or quote, it's paradox of tolerance.

And it seems like a thing where it's like, it's kind of hard

to square.

There's a reason it's got paradox in the name.

But the idea is basically that if you

have a free and open society, then fascists will take advantage of that free and open society.

And do the things that end up pushing basically what we got today, which is fascism,

and that ends the freeness and the openness of society.

And to see you think about it,

you're like, how do you, how do you square these things? Because I used to, I used to listen to

the people who told me, well, it's got, it's very important.

I remember this as a kid, because even

as a kid, it was like, that seems fucked up to the ACLU is defending Nazi parades and things like this.

And I hadn't people tell me, like, Scott, you know, Scott, poor, simple, young,

do-ey-eyed, Scott.

What you have to understand is that it's very important that we protect the

freedom of speech for the worst speech, because that's where it starts getting eroded.

And the problem with this idea, and I actually bought it into it for a while, I was at one point

briefly, kind of kind of free speech absolutist.

It thought I really started thinking about it.

When you think about it in that way, it sort of makes sense, right? This is one of the things where

the frame that you're operating within, really dictates the, just ideas that are available to you.

Because if that's the frame that you're working in, it does sound like, yeah, okay, we can't

we have to protect everybody's freedom of speech, because if you infringe on anyone's, then you're

opening the door to infringe on everybody's.

And it sounds actually like it makes sense, right?

But the problem is, that's the wrong frame.

And I'm not saying this is the right frame,

but this is a better frame.

If you imagine that we have a social contract.

And that social contract is if you do certain things, if you, you know, it's a contract that

has like consideration and you give something and you get something.

So if you participate in society

and you don't undermine things and you're not attacking people and being horrible, then you get

freedom of speech.

And when you start thinking about it in these terms, it's no longer a paradox.

It's no longer, because the people who are to tell a terrarians, the people who are fascists,

they are fundamentally violating that social contract.

And so, if you think about it that way,

to me, it's quite simple.

This is a thing that I think needs to be, I could go into that

more later on.

But I think, yeah, already do our already an hour.

And so, I'm going to try to

close this up pretty soon.

That sort of social contract and explicit social contract can be a thing

that you set up in here.

And you can sit there and go, okay, well, if you agree to the social

contract and you can set up how you decide that and all of this, there are a couple of ways you

could do it.

I've thought a lot about different ways to do it, but one of the easiest ones is just

I have my resources and everybody kind of has their own resources.

And you can decide whether or not

you want to syndicate people.

And you can do that either by explicitly letting them in or letting them out,

or you could decide to trust somebody else's judgment for it, or you could have something where

they kind of agree to it.

And then you have some kind of a judicial system that determines

whether or not they're violating it.

There are lots of different ways you could do it.

And I think

it's important to build all of these for some extent and have it sort of set up so that it

works and people have some options.

But you have this social contract and if people are in whatever

way you think is right, satisfying it, you can share your resources with them.

And like if somebody's

not shitting in the water, why not let them have some of your extra grapefruit? You got way more

grapefruit than you need, probably.

And unless you're maybe somebody who has a restaurant and

you're just, you need more grapefruit than you have.

So you need the grapefruit from somebody else,

but other people have extra grapefruit they can share with you.

So having this kind of a system,

I think is a good way to do this.

And you do this and individually, you could have something where

individually, like again, the costs of running these big systems per person is not that great.

And especially, it gets worse because people run big algorithms and they do a bunch of

ad stuff and they do all kinds of stuff that is very computationally expensive, very storage

expensive, very network intensive.

And those kinds of things cost a lot more to run.

And so

if you don't do that stuff, which is almost all annoying and horrible, it actually is pretty cheap

per person to host a lot of stuff and to store a lot of stuff.

And when you think about that,

if you imagine that some people who can afford to pay a little bit more for more than they need,

and people who can't afford to, especially if they just want to have a page that doesn't have

a lot of traffic, and they're not doing stuff that's horrible, maybe they get pre-hosting.

And so you kind of have this thing where people are working together and essentially have a gift

economy and are able to not use too much of a metaphor, or to not steal too much into this,

but you plant your sweet grass and you're not necessarily the one using it, but you're benefiting

yourself and everybody else by doing it.

And because we have this network going together

and you have this ability to sort of build your own pretty nice, my space-ish page,

where you control the data, and if you want to, you can just host this yourself.

You could

be completely disconnected from everybody else and you have your own thing, or you can participate

in it, and you share it with people.

And you could also have something where, like, if you have

you add stuff to it, it's in a feed, and you imagine that that feed that could be your stuff,

but you could also say, oh, I like this network from, per this is this page from somebody else,

I can add that to my thing, and when I add it to my thing, other people can see it in their

feed, and they can sort of, you know, do stuff with it.

And as you're doing that,

you're expanding copies of that stuff.

You're doing stuff like hosting more of it.

So the more

demander is for something, the more popular something is you end up having more resources going into it.

And the more people look at something, the more copies of it are out there, which means also,

and this is a massive problem that we have now.

Instead of having websites that go away,

that just go dark because people can't pay for them forever, you have copies of stuff out in the

ether, and those are just preserved.

And you have this way to, like, if suddenly something from

20 years ago gets popular, people start looking at it, they start replicating it more, and it

becomes more represented.

And if it doesn't get popular, at least there's an archive or two,

or 10 out there.

Especially if it's just text, I mean, if it's just text, it takes a, like,

a lot of text does take up a lot of space.

Like Wikipedia is a lot of text.

If you download Wikipedia,

it is a lot of data.

But individual pages on Wikipedia, not that much.

And the amount that you

individually are generating, not that much.

As you imagine, like Wikipedia, for example,

if everybody kind of hosted their own Wikipedia pages, and then every time you go to a Wikipedia page,

now you have a copy of it that you're hosting for other people, you start thinking about it,

and that actually, you know, the thing that I originally wanted to do on this, which is annoyingly

very difficult to do the way the internet is structured, is basically like you imagine

everybody has their own browser.

This is the right way to do it to be honest, but you can't

really do it this way.

So the waste wheat grass works, at least now, isn't like this.

The waste wheat

grass works now is basically the servers are their own sort of thing.

And those are peer-to-peer,

and those are doing the hosting and all this kind of stuff.

But the right way to do it is that

the people who are using the network, all are hosting it.

If you open it for your Wikipedia page,

and now you have a copy of that.

And if somebody browsers that Wikipedia page, you're serving it,

and that means you're following his serving stuff when you're using it, and you have this

network that just becomes more and more powerful as more and more people are using it.

And if you do

it that way, incidentally, you could do it essentially for free, because the phone has access

processing power, it has access to networking.

And again, it's not like if you're doing massive

amounts of load on your phone, that's not going to work.

But if you are serving two times,

three times the number of pages that you're reading, that's pretty doable.

And you could do this.

Again, annoyingly to do this, there are technical reasons why you can't do it just like that.

What you can't do is kind of like that, and you store the stuff in the phones.

This is down the

road, do that, and then you can have reflectors.

So you have something that is outside of the local

network, your phone connects to that, and then somebody else connects to your phone via that.

You can tunnel through this, and you can do, you can make things like this work, but you still need

stuff outside of NATs, and I don't want to get into the technical details, but you can make

it work, or you could do something where eventually you have a better network.

And every device

has its own IPv6 address, its own way to talk to each other.

And you just directly talk to them.

If you could do that and have a direct peer-to-peer network, that would be the right way to do it.

Because then everybody has their own fucking phone.

And if you imagine, you're watching a video

on TikTok, and while you're watching that, you're sharing it to two other people.

I mean,

this is basically like a bit torn, kind of idea.

If you're doing it that way, it just works.

And it also, if you had something like that, you wouldn't need, in principle, you wouldn't

even need to have explicit servers.

Now it's not the most efficient way to do it, it's not

the greatest way to have an uptime and all this kind of stuff.

It gets complicated.

You have

to figure things out, but you can do a lot with that.

And you probably wouldn't end up doing

it if you imagine that you're building the network from scratch.

This is actually one of

these things that I think I will talk more about sweet cracks in the future, because I think I'm

not doing a great justice of how this is going to work.

But this is a thing that I think I've been

working on for a while, and I'm getting the point where I will have something pretty soon

that I'm going to start having people get on.

You can go to sweetcrust.

online and see

something posted there.

You can also see my page, um, sminord.

phd, uh, hosted on this stuff already.

And these are static pages, deliberately static pages, deliberately very low server

you, or server work, you know, little, I'm getting tired.

I'm sorry.

They're very little

server-load to process them.

They could just be cashed and, you know, they're pretty easy to

say.

It needs things to share.

Um, so they don't really cost that much per viewer.

And if you

imagine, you did this right, and you try to keep mostly static stuff and keep the stuff that

is live, um, yeah, you have, like, a live direct connection for processing stuff.

If you do it that way,

you can make stuff that is very, uh, eight years of word scalable, but it's basically very

scalable for a very small, uh, monthly cost.

You can host a lot of shit and have a lot of people

using it.

And the more people that are hosting stuff, the more people that are paying for their stuff,

and especially the more people that are paying more than they need, the more capable the network

is, the more ability you have.

And eventually, like the initial, the way that I see this initially,

you start working on static pages, my space kind of stuff.

Um, and that my space could have music

or could have videos.

But it's sort of, like, you know, you have your own web page, everybody has

their own web page.

You can make stuff, and it goes into your feed.

And that's how it's kind of

how people use it at first.

But then you imagine you do the same thing, and you could start doing

some processing on, on these nodes.

And inside of these nodes, you can, of course, it's very

important to have that social contract and have some kind of way of auditing it and way of making

sure people are not using processing for bad stuff.

But you can, or stuff that you don't like,

you know, if you're into using something terrible with it, uh, I guess you could do it,

but the way that I would see the network is most people don't do that.

And so you have some

processing that is in, like, database storage, massive distributed databases and this kind of stuff.

You could also have streaming.

Uh, and in fact, streaming could mean like live streams.

So you have

massive file storage for, for videos.

And you could have transcoding of those videos.

And you can have

stuff where you're hosting like live direct connections over the internet over a sweet press.

And you imagine that, you start getting to the point where, you know, it's not just that you

have this infrastructure that can do a social network, like do a my space or a Facebook or a Twitter,

but you start having stuff where you could do a YouTube.

You could do TikTok.

You could have

all that kind of stuff that's owned cooperatively by people.

This is a thing that you know, I should

say.

Uh, this is a organization, which, it's, it's currently registered as a California

public benefit nonprofit.

And the idea, the co-op, the idea is basically that everyone who uses it

is an equal member.

And the governance, still working on it, it's not like fully written down

and ironed out.

But the way that I imagine the governance going is basically, there's going to be

an opt-in certification system.

So, certification is, uh, essentially, uh, vote by lottery.

So the way that you pick the people that are running stuff is if you want to, to be running stuff,

if you want to be in a position where you're doing stuff, you can choose to be in the pool

and the just randomly by chance gets selected.

You can also do a lot of stuff that's had

hawk.

So like if you see something, it's all open source, um, and MIT license.

So if you see

something that's not there that you want to build, you can build it and release it back to,

do the network.

You could do a lot.

I just, I think this is a better way to run things.

There are a lot of reasons why I like certification.

This is another thing I need to talk about,

um, probably make it an episode on it.

But I keep looking at, like, Gavin Newsom,

Hen's booty-jage.

They're just all these fucking assholes.

Terrible fucking people.

Even

even Obama.

You know, Obama, I used to love.

I used to think this guy was the fucking shit, right?

He sounds like a professor.

He has this tone and cadence.

He's super cool.

He looks cool.

Looks good.

He looks cool.

Uh, and, you know, you're just like, yes, yes.

Uh, you hear that shit.

You know, like, yeah.

And I know a lot of people that miss that, but then you realize, oh,

he's blowing up a fucking wedding.

You know, he's drowning kids.

He's, uh, starting the family

separations and detentions and all this kind of stuff.

Pretty fucking terrible guy.

Honestly,

he's a war criminal.

Um, and he's also not only a war criminal himself, he's a guy who let

W and his fucking administration off without consequences.

He's a war criminal who backed up war criminals.

So pretty, I'm not a fan.

Let's just say.

I'm not a fan of his anymore.

I used to be.

And, you know, this is a problem because the people who want to be people who are like

standing up and they want to be running things are almost exactly the people who should not be

running shit.

The people who want to be in charge are the people who should not be in charge of almost any

organization, almost all of the time.

Um, but also you get that side of it.

And then you have this

other side, which is people's judgment of like who they think is cool and who they think, like what they

think is interesting.

What they think is the thing, you know, whether it's Joe Rogan or, um, I mean,

I don't know, you think about this.

The people who are talking about a subject.

If there,

if there's somebody who knows nothing, but they sound really interesting about it.

They sound like

they know stuff or they sound like they're thinking deeply about it.

Even if they're not,

people are attracted to that.

People, if if somebody has riz, if somebody is just like they,

they seem like a cool guy.

Um, that's the kind of stuff that tracks for people.

If somebody,

and this is, I obviously get bothered by this because I don't want to say, like,

whatever it is that Trump has for people is something good in any way.

But whatever it is,

there are people that really like them.

And I think it's pathological.

I think there are a lot

of problems with it.

There are people that like them.

There are people that like Gavin Newsom.

These are people like I see Gavin Newsom or Trump or Buttigieg or, you know, like most of these

fucking people.

I see them and they give me the fucking willies.

They seem gross.

They're off putting,

like physically, I know there's something wrong with this.

I know like I see a Gavin Newsom talking

I don't have this for Obama.

I certainly not, but I see Gavin Newsom.

And this guy is like,

you know, how would anyone fall for this? He's like such a fake asshole.

He's the guy who's on

one of these commercials where you look at him and you're like, how is a human being that fake?

How is a human being that just not real? How is a human being this disgusting?

That as you see that and you're like, why does anyone fall for this shit? I don't understand.

I do not understand.

I don't really want to understand either.

But I think the problem here,

there, it doesn't even matter how people fall for it.

Whatever it is,

whatever that is that people's judgment is that bad.

The idea also that people keep voting the

same people.

Because I know a lot of people that talk about like term moments and all this kind of stuff.

Term moments would be nice.

Although it's kind of hard that the people that need the term

or the people that put the term moments in and the people who need those term limits are also

the people who are massively disincentivized from putting them in.

So good luck.

But term moments are also

unnecessary.

Like, you could just, the correct way to vote is by default.

If you recognize the name

of somebody, unless you have a really good reason to vote for them.

Again, that good reason is not,

oh, I really like, you know, even if it's like a burning, even if it's somebody, you're like,

I really like burning.

Just because you recognize the name, unless you have a specific,

very good reason for voting for them.

You should vote against them.

You should vote for somebody else.

You should absolutely, I mean, I like it.

Look at this main Nazi guy.

I don't even want to talk

too much about this guy, but this is another fucker in Maine who has the Nazi skull tattoo.

For 20 years, it claims not to have known what it was, although there's documentation that he did.

But, you know, it, like, and also due to who obviously life's going short was,

nobody asked him about that for 20 fucking years.

No, but he, like, I mean, it's just not plausible.

It's not credible.

You have this thing.

It's just ridiculous.

Like, I, and I understand there are

people that just get flash, and they don't think that much about it, because it's not that big of a deal.

But, I think, you know, I think you fucking know.

Also, same guy, he had, you know, it's not like

he was some poor kid who the military recruiters got to, and I'm like, you know, I don't,

you don't have any real options that the military is going to be good for you.

And then you get

in, and it turns out to be shitty, and you do one term, one rotation, and then you, you get the

fucker up.

Now, this is a guy who got in, and he's a guy who, he's a guy who went the,

probably, I mean, my brain is starting to decompose right now.

I need to eat.

I mean, I'm going to

close up, but this guy went to private school, expensive private schools are good.

He could have

very easily gone to an expensive college.

I didn't need to go into the military.

Choose as to

go into the military.

Does a tour? Does another tour? Does another tour? Does another tour?

serves at Abu, serves giant air quotes, at Abu Grib, you know, like, which is, again, not the

get into the, the W and Obama thing, you know, like, it's, it's more crime-central there.

And then

after all of that stuff, goes into fucking blackwater, and is in blackwater not like 20 years ago,

but I think it was 2018.

Like, this is not a good guy.

That's disqualified.

I'm sorry,

that's fucking disqualified.

You look at, I, I mean, did it, I guess they did make one of these,

they're the last one that I made.

Was, something like 0.

00003% there's something like that.

I don't

remember the exact number, but it's the fraction of people in the US who get to be in the

Senate.

And again, it's like a hundred people out of 342 million people get to be in the Senate.

And you could go, okay, well, not all of those 342 million people are eligible.

You have to consider

the age requirement, and then you have to consider, they have to be narrowed down a little bit,

still 200 million people, a couple hundred million people could be in the Senate.

And you're saying

that one guy, one piece of shit.

Now, you don't, you can be a little bit fucking selective.

You

could be also also, and this one just blows my fucking mind, you can't collect a signature

in Maine until January.

You can't collect a fucking signature to get ballot access to run in the

primary, which is not until June or something, or July.

I think it was June.

You can't get in the

prime.

You can't get the signatures, and they'll fucking January.

Pick another guy, pick another

fucking guy.

And people talk about, like, oh, no, he's the only one.

It could only be him.

Fuck you.

Fuck you.

You have a Nazi tattoo.

Either you didn't know about it, and you didn't

have any curiosity about it, and didn't care about it until recently.

I think you cover it up with

something that I think is, it's hard not to interpret as another dog whistle.

And if it's not a dog

whistle, it's one of these things like, you know, like, I don't know.

I think he's playing in your face.

I think he's literally laughing at you, going, haha, fuck you.

I'm going to get a dog whistle.

And this is the whole point of a dog whistle is that it's plausibly deniable.

So, you know, he's

got something that you look at it, and you're like, that's a fucking dog whistle.

That is a neo-Nazi dog

whistle.

So, you went from super overtly Nazi thing.

And again, also, like, I just got a picture

about this a little bit more, I'm sorry.

But this motherfucker, you know, people were like, oh,

he didn't know he didn't.

And people asked me, like, how did you know? How did you know, Scott?

I'm not a, I'm not particularly, it's not my special interest.

I don't, you know, I'm not a fan of

Nazis, but, you know, what? I've seen Shembers list.

I've seen Raiders of the Lost Ark.

I've seen,

what is it called? In Gloria's Bastards.

I've seen that one with Tom Cruise,

thealkery.

I've seen all these, you know, I've seen the fucking thing.

Are we the baddies, right?

Michelin Webb, are we the baddies? They're literally talking about exactly this tattoo.

Exactly

this symbol.

I've seen, like, it's, it's sort of, of the, maybe it's not as well known as a

spastica, but it's pretty fucking close.

It's pretty fucking close.

I didn't know where I first saw it,

because I've seen it so many fucking times.

I know I've seen it in Holocaust museums.

I know that I've

seen it in books and things about this kind of stuff.

I know that I've seen it in old pictures and

shit.

Like, it's not a thing that is some obscure symbol that you have to be, like, deeply,

it's not even, like, a 1919 kind of thing, which incidentally this guy has in his arm.

19 19th letter of the alphabet means S, and he's got an explanation for it.

Yeah, and in the explanation,

if it was, like, just the 1919 tattoo, and you're like, well, it was the year that the thing was founded,

and you actually look, he dig into the explanation, and it's like, it's not actually the right

year that the thing was founded, the little suspect, little suspect.

But, you know, if it was just that,

then you're like, okay, maybe, but you have that, and then you have the fucking Totencom

for whatever the fuck it's called, the skull thing, and then you have the thing that he covered

it up with, which is also really, really, really looking to me, like a dog whistle.

And this is,

this is like, okay, let's pretend, let's pretend that it's not a dog whistle.

Let's pretend that,

you know, it's just, he wanted to have this thing that happens to be something that is really similar

to a lot of stuff that white nationalists and Nazis really like and are really interested in

and that where, as a dog whistle, just happens to be.

If you're coming from like the Nazi tattoo,

I think when you're covering it up, and you're trying to run for Senate, when you're covering it up,

you probably run it by a few people, and you say, like, is the thing that I'm going to get at least,

like, is it kosher? Is it something that, you know, like, there's no question about, like,

and you pick something like that.

You know, it's a ridiculous thing, but to me, that's just the basic,

basic thing that you do.

That is like the minimal sort of, as diligence.

And the fact that he can't

do that, like the best case scenario, the best interpretation, is it's just an accident that he happened

to pick another dog whistle, and he's got a dog whistle on his arm, and he takes a dog whistle to

cover up, is I'm going to be going to call the the skull and the dog whistle.

It's a fucking

overt thing.

No, I mean, the best case scenario is this guy is too incompetent and too careless

to be a fucking senator.

Not everybody needs to be a goddamn senator.

There are things like, if you

ever have any kind of an Nazi tattoo, I think that this qualifies you.

Hard stop.

You're okay,

Scott, you're going to miss, you're going to get some people who, fuck you, who gives a shit.

We have

the ability to be picky.

We should be picky.

How do you, you go to, like, states, I looked at this,

because it was bothering me.

If you look at the state that has the fewest number of registered

Democrats, there are still tens of thousands of people who could be a senator.

And Maine, it's like

100,000 people, could be a senator, could be a senator, could be a Democratic senator.

It might

even even even been 200,000.

I don't remember the exact number.

It was at least 100,000.

I think

it might be 200,000, but whatever it was, it's a lot of fucking people.

You could find somebody in that

group who doesn't have a Nazi tattoo, never had a Nazi tattoo, wasn't a fucking blackwater

mercenary who, you know, I mean, this is not like me being picky and I have to, it's got to be

like a supermodel with a PhD and all of this kind of, you know, this is like a minimal fucking shit.

You know, it's like that I feel like I'm losing my mind that people are making an argument for this.

And then you got people like fucking Jacob and Jacob and whatever the fuck the thing is defending this shit.

Fuck you, there are other people, there are other fucking people, take somebody, find somebody,

it shouldn't be that hard.

And in fact, you more than anyone are in a position to start a

fucking recruitment drive.

And in fact, what you should also do is go mother fucker, we didn't know

what you should have done some diligence before this.

This is how you get, by the way,

deadbeat dead cinema, fucking guy ego, it gets all that anti-centromo money, which I don't even

want to get into that, but it irritates the shit out of me.

This guy's a piece of shit and he's

a senator now and then you have space cinema, who's also a piece of shit, who's a senator now.

And like you look at the Senate and it's just, and all of this stuff fundamentally comes down to

people are going by popularity and they're also going by this weird parasoical thing where

people seem to think there's only one guy who can be a the Senate, which is just so ridiculous.

And so because of this stuff, you end up with the worst fucking people in the world.

And you end up with

people picking the worst fucking people in the world over and over again, even after like their

Diane Feinstein, and they don't know where the fuck they are.

Like there, there are videos of her

when she was not even in her last term, I don't think.

She didn't know where the fuck she was.

She didn't know what Europe was.

She didn't know what was going on.

And you keep having her be a fucking

senator and she's not alone.

There's somebody else now who's about 80 something.

I can't remember

her name.

But she's also very clearly got dementia.

She got scammed by some guy for, and then

you do not need these people to be the fucking senators.

People explicitly should not be

reelected by default.

And if they do get reelected, it's like, okay, you did amazing last time.

You did something fucking fantastic.

You need to continue it.

Well, give you one more term,

and that'll be it.

But it shouldn't be like you have a career in this seat.

You shouldn't have,

nobody should have a career in this seat.

It should be something also, well, I've got a lot of thoughts

on this.

I will get back to it later on.

But the thing about sweet grass in the way that I want

this governed is basically people can join or leave at will, first of all.

You can decide,

this is the thing about a social contract.

Like I don't, I didn't sign up to be an American

citizen.

I didn't sign up to be a museum person.

I definitely don't support spending hundreds of

billions of dollars a year on fucking cops.

I never, I never agreed to that.

I never fucking agreed

to that.

I don't agree to that.

I do not consent at all.

I didn't sign up to give a trillion

dollars a year or more to the military industrial complex and for building bombs and fighter jets

and doing all kinds of stuff.

That's an ecological catastrophe and destabilizing countries all

over the world.

Like you look at the number of countries that were some some demigratically elected

the government was overthrown by a military fascist coup and that coup was sponsored by supported

by basically a proxy for the CIA for our country for this country.

It's ridiculous.

It's fucking

ridiculous and making the world worse.

You look right now at all these genocides going on and a lot

of them probably all of them.

I think you could probably say pretty safely all of them at some level

are coming from U.

S.

to Germany and from this country.

I didn't sign up for that.

I don't support that.

I don't like the idea.

I don't want billions and billions of dollars going to blow people up

in other countries.

I don't like that.

I don't consent.

I don't fucking consent.

So I think you should be

able to leave.

You should be able to my mom and sister just landed in Hawaii.

I think you should

be able to.

So I just said a little hot.

I actually landed in a quietie.

I should say.

I should talk about that a little bit.

I have very mixed feelings about going there.

I live

in Ernawau for a while and I wouldn't do it now probably.

I guess if there was a local who

invited me and we were really careful not to fuck things up maybe but I feel like I know enough

people that don't want howlies like me there.

I just had a respect I would go.

And I understand

it's a really nice place but the problem is it's a nice place and you think about the Hawaiians

and the locals there.

They can't live there.

So many of Hawaiians have been pushed out into

California and Oregon and Arizona in other places because it's fucking expensive there because

other people like unfortunately mostly look like me have gone in and they've driven the prices

up to the point where they just they can't they can't they can't exist there.

It's fucking horrible.

And it's just I don't know.

Anyway, I don't begrudge people from going necessarily but I do

I think it's complicated and I wish people would at least put more consideration into it and I know

also like I talked to my mom about this and the thing that she always says is like the people

the people there are really appreciate well the people there that you're talking to or the ones

that are working for or their jobs depend on you.

They probably don't probably would or

rather be doing something else I would assume but also they're not the people that are they're

not the native Hawaiians who are getting or are people who have native ancestry who are now

living in fucking Oregon because they can't afford to live at home.

They're fucking island

they can't they can't afford to live there.

I don't think those people necessarily want you there.

I don't think they appreciate it.

I think you know and I think also like even if

again like it's nice to be someplace like that the people that end up being there are an ecological

catastrophe they're making things terrible for a lot of people.

They're like building you know

tearing stuff down and destroying ancient stuff and just taking over places and making

places that people used to just go inaccessible taking over beaches and shit.

It's not good it's not

good.

It's just yeah anyway coming back I don't want to talk too much about that because it's annoying

but coming back the sort of thing this will be the end cap.

I think the thing to do for running

stuff again ad hoc at will you can join you can agree or you can leave at will you can

change the agreement if you don't agree to you like you formally agreed to a term and now you

thought about it and you don't agree to it anymore or you want to say like ah there's a better way

you can have people change that and start agreeing to the new one and if you don't agree to the new one

then you don't get to participate in the network and if you agree to a certain set of terms like

some of them are mandatory and some of them are nice and the ones that you just said are mandatory

like for example I'm not going to host a fucking Nazi no Nazis get the the share my resources

that seems like a fucking no-brainer right so you can have that kind of stuff and that is the

organization with this sortition some form of sortition that will come from in the next thing

about sortition the thing that I like about it for governance is especially and I'm not

specifically talking about sweet grass here but the thing I like about it for like running instead

of a Senate having like a house and that the house also I'm actually going to talk like for a

couple more minutes about this and I'm going to end because I do need to eat but the thing that I think

you should have for governance this is not about my little project here but if you were making a

country if you're making an organization again you should be able to it should be free to join

like anyone that wants to can be part of it and if you don't want to be you can leave at any time

I can't like if you want to no longer be a US citizen it is expensive and hard and takes a long time

it's not really it's an interesting thing for a country that claims to be free if you want to be a US citizen

it's really hard and takes a long time now a lot of people are let in and you know it's that

really exactly freedom in any meaningful way if you are a US citizen you have to agree to a

bunch of shit that you don't have any voice in it's fucked up it's pretty bad I don't like it

I don't agree to it I don't like you should be and I don't think things should be that way I really don't

so you can kind of choose and you can also choose to create like you have a group of people and

they just want to do something together collectively they can choose to work on it and you could choose

not to it's you have autonomy I think autonomy is a really important thing it's it's one of

of the things for me I think about my personal values autonomy is fucking huge the ability to choose

what you're doing and you know which is not to say you don't hold up like obviously you should

live up to your agreements you should obviously if you say you're going to do something

live up to your word and with with exceptions being like you know you said you were going to

you made a commitment that ends up being terrible maybe then you know but if you're commitment

there's like I'm going to work on this project and for this long probably do it it's probably

better to do unless you have an exceptional reason not to but you should have the autonomy to

the change your mind you should have the autonomy this is the thing when I think about like

running companies or like hiring people if you're running a company you kind of have

and you hire somebody you kind of have a gun to their head you really I didn't notice this as

much I always kind of knew it but I really noticed it in my last job because I had medical

things with my eyes that needed to be taken care of and my boss was having me do shit that I

did not like did not want to do you know like it kind of sounds silly but like physically going

into work having to go in during rush hour having to be in the office for 95 and not having

that even count as it just like all these things that are standard things in work that people are

just expected to do you think about it they're all fucked up and the cost of not agreeing to that

the cost of not wanting to not wanting to do those things the cost of you know going like I

I don't think this is right I don't think I should be doing this I don't think anybody should be doing

this is you're not going to have vision I mean I'm not even exaggerating it's like oh you have

a vision thing you need expensive surgery and you need surgery and aftercare and all this kind

of stuff for a while you're just not going to get that you're not going to be able to have it you

oh you don't want to do this stuff that I want you to do in the way that I want you to do it

okay that's fine you you don't get that have housing you don't get the eat you don't get the

think about that think about like in terms of autonomy how fucked up that is that that is the

situation that we have if you decided you don't want to pay taxes because you don't want all your

money going to cops and the military what happens what do you think happens if you don't pay taxes

it's that good it's not good you're going to be a deep shit and you know you think about that that's

not freedom that's not fucking freedom you should be able to go like okay we're together and we're

working together to help people which is which is really fundamentally the reason that you have

society and civilization is so that we can collectively help each other it's it's not really that

complicated we have like we get together as people and there's a lot of stuff that you can do

individually but it turns out when you're a little baby you need help when you're older you need help

if you're sick you need help if you can't work you need help if you're somebody who you know like

maybe something is wrong and you can't physically work or maybe you're just somebody who really

is interested in working on on other stuff that's probably probably to me not a thing that you should

I don't know I mean I mean I would I would even go so far as to say because I think this is

if you or somebody who instead of just play fucking video games all your life and not do anything

productive and you should be able to have housing and you know food and water and education and

health care if you want to be somebody who like I think about like for myself if I could do whatever

the fuck I wanted to do I would just keep going to school I would just keep going and I would study

different things and I would go to medical school I would become a surgeon and then I go to law school

and I'd become a lawyer and I would go to art school and yeah and you think about like how you

can't do that how it's not possible I would learn I would probably become a psychiatrist psychologist

you know they do a little bit of that for a while and then change does something else

if if money is no object and I would work on my own projects I would do all kinds of stuff

I would be extremely like I you know there's this saying like only boring people are boring

but you think about I don't know to me I don't need stuff to entertain me I don't need to have

somebody like force me to do work I will do work I will do a lot of work I will work really

fucking hard I will like on my own love to my own devices I just sit here and like my thing is

I walk I like the walk I like to have coffee and do you know like some things and then I work

and I work on lots of stuff and I would just always do that if I had if I had resources I would

work on more cool stuff if I had more time I work on more cool stuff and some of it might be

actually valuable and help people some of it might actually be good for people because some

of the things I motivated to solve some of the problems that I see are things like I see shit

that my mom struggles with and it's like oh I could actually make something that would help her

and if it would help her I guarantee it would help a lot of other people and you think about that

and you think about like how the same spaces you have a bunch of people who are like oh well I

can make money doing this and they have no interest in doing it well they're just doing it because

they want to make money and so they make shitty stuff that people buy and then this is one of

those things might there's so much fucking crap and you think about like people make all these

products that are just garbage and they make them because they want to make money

map because they were like oh I needed a pressure cooker that's fucking awesome and so you invent

the I can't even think of what the thing is called that that pressure cooker that went out of

business because private equity killed it it's it's it's gonna come to me later as soon as I'm done

what does but you know this kind of stuff you can't do that instead what you do is you cost

optimize everything to garbage and you make garbage products so that you can sell a bunch of

shit that ends up going into a fucking landfill and in the process of making it you pollute and

do all kinds of stuff and you cut a lot of corners and so you're just making a bunch of crap

that ruins the environment wherever you are and fucks things up and then ultimately

doesn't go anywhere doesn't make people happy doesn't you know so it doesn't help people

they don't even enjoy it it's not like a beautiful object that you can just keep around

and then it's waste it's waste waste and waste I'm waste and the energy that going into it is

wasted the amount of time and effort that people spent developing it and manufacturing it and

transporting it and all this stuff just garbage just fucking garbage and it doesn't need to be that way

you think about how much waste there is like that and yeah it again like if you want to build

something that is just garbage that's okay all you shouldn't be building it at sale but you know

if you want to build stuff that I think is kind of wasteful but it's art that's fine you should

have the ability to do that but you shouldn't have a million people building garbage because they

just want to make money to you know it's much better to just have everybody have shelter have food

be comfortable have a freedom to to get education if a freedom the right to grown the right

to roam is I personally think essential then and it goes to autonomy but these kinds of things

are things that we should all have and the right to roam when you think about these if you imagine

that people have the right to roam one of the things that means is you have good public transportation

you have cities that are both walkable and highly accessible you have places where you know like

it's required that if somebody is a wheelchair user they can get around they can get from A to B and

I know a lot of people that talk about like at some point somebody came up with this idea that somehow

public transportation is anti-accessibility or is terrible for people who are in some way disabled

but I think this is a complete bullshit this is something that is like I don't know I think

it is something that somebody came up with who just doesn't it's like a marketing thing against

public transit probably somebody from a car company to be honest came up with this shit

some good so do you think tank there was yeah if you build a walkable accessible city

with good public transit that is highly usable for people and you build like elevators

and you build like ways to get on and off the trains that anyone can use it's good for everybody

it means that if you're a wheelchair user you can get the fuck around much more easily you don't

have to have a special $100,000 car that works for you if you have CP and you build the city

that is is made so that somebody with CP can easily navigate and easily get the fuck around

it's better for you it's not like a it's a disability just a thing and not in the way that like

oh well you shouldn't have walkable accessible cities with good public transit because

and also also like people say this is though like okay if you do have a walkable accessible city

with good public transit and incidentally high speed trains going everywhere and all this kind of

there's other stuff if you do have that and there's somebody that actually physically cannot use it

well all of that stuff all the people being offloaded onto those systems with high frequency

trains and all that kind of stuff that means that there's more room on the road for other people

it need to be on the road the people who absolutely positively can't use those systems and again

you could if you cared and you designed it well and you thought about it you could get 99.

9% of

people able to use them absolutely it's not a that's not a question so it's a it's a

it's a volitional intentional choice not to do that but the people that actually absolutely need to

drive or or something like driving you know have to be driven or whatever it would be easier

for them if almost everybody is on public transit because then the roads are empty then you can

park someplace that's close to you then you can do all this other shit it's just it's it's

such a frustrating thing for me and I it's one of those things also like when you first hear it

you're sort of taking a back by it and you're not that you're like oh shit am I and I the

am I the asphalt here no you're not what you haven't done is thought about it and you haven't

realized oh well actually well actually uh anyway I don't want to I don't want to keep going

on that but the the certification thing I think is important having a thing where you actually

have autonomy I think is important having things where you don't like explicitly do not reward

people who are um you know charismatic but assholes um I think that's important having a system

also where I think this is again if I was making a government um not only a certification but something

like and I don't know what exactly the numbers would be but for some reason about a hundred thousand

people seems to kind of fit in my mind pick at random one person out of a hundred thousand

and of other people that often you don't force people in here that yeah you have to say okay I'm

going to do this I'm willing to do it or or you get picked and then you can you could say okay I'm going

to or no I'll pass and it's an autonomy thing but then you do that and you have if you picked

one out of a hundred thousand people now you have a massive body and you can do you know legislation

based on that and then have I I don't I don't know the details of how this would work and all

this stuff maybe you do proportional representation maybe you do other stuff I feel like you don't

want parties specifically you probably want like this kind of thing you've got a decent sampling of

people and of those people maybe you have some way to pick some leadership which I would personally

also pick by certification and often stuff but you could do you could do like a PM kind of thing

have like a no confidence about in a way to remove people you have something where like oh you

need continuity well yeah you need continuity so you have if you get picked to do this by certification

then you essentially you're there for four years or six years by default and the first three

you're mentored by somebody and the next three you're mentoring somebody or maybe like two years

you get mentored two years you practice and then two years you're mentoring you know you can figure it out

and you could have people who like I don't know I mean if we're going to like really elaborate on

this I would kind of say like the people that are doing this once you get picked it's like winning

the lottery for it first off everybody you're guaranteed just by living in society that you're going

to have healthcare, shelter and food and and not only that but you know like the right to roam

so free transit and the right to roam also means that you get shelter and food and healthcare

and all that stuff wherever you go and also you're able to leave and come into the country

it will and all that kind of stuff I think those are important but then you know if you get picked

into this group you probably you know we're going to take care of everything for the rest of your

life but you're also renouncing material possessions you're yeah I think that would probably be

because what you want to avoid is having something where the people that are in this

have an incentive to be brived you want to make sure like that that should be it should be a very

serious thing that doesn't happen or you have some kind of safeguards against it because you have

such a large population there it helps because it's one thing to bride you know you want to

bribe enough people out of 435 or out of 100 or the state legislature sizes to do stuff that's

that's pretty tractable but when you you start getting like tens of thousands of people it

starts getting to be pretty hard to bribe them that means you can do it but it's very prohibitively

expensive versus as it is now like it's pretty easy to bribe people and you know you have to think

about how to do this make it work but I feel like it's I feel like it's like the right way to go

I really do because you get rid of the problem where you get people selecting for terrible people

and not selecting based on capacity to do the job but based on charisma and other things that

have nothing to do with it or actively are against whatever you're trying to do and you also get rid of

the thing where the people that end up going before these jobs are the worst people and people end up

and you know I know the idea of a career politician like I like specialty I like specializing in things

I like I like people who dedicate their lives to something but when you go through this process

of like getting into the party and we've all in your way in and we've all in your right

cup and just being there and paying your dues and then oh it's your turn now that this is how you get

space cinema this is how you get that beat dance cinema this is how you get the original cinema

incidentally this is how you get Hillary it's her turn this is how you get all this other shit

and you know like you should be able to say like okay Biden it's it's 1988 and he got drummed out

and he is going to be blackballed or that that's right I wonder if it's better to come for that

he's going to be eliminated from contention for ever being in politics again because he he did

something it was horribly unethical and so you know there are a lot of people we don't need to like

again like the Nazi tattoo you don't need to be an office if you have an Nazi tattoo you don't

need to be an office when you cheat on tests you don't need to be an office when you know like if

you're somebody who is known to have done horrible and ethical things I think you can be

eliminated from from contention now maybe obviously of course you need due process you need

you need the ability to muster defense and all of the all the standard theory of justice stuff

but yeah if you are established to have with reasonable certainty have done certain things and in

the case of Biden we just know he's done it it's very clearly in evidence that that's it you're

done if you're Trump you're done you're never never going to fucking run shit and in that it

should be companies as well you shouldn't be running companies couldn't be in any kind of position

of power like again Trump can have a nice life you can you know have shelter in food and health

care and all that kind of stuff should that be running a fucking thing ever should that have

an accumulation of resources ever and yeah it's it's it's an interesting thing about how

fucked up things are the people like this the worst people end up in the positions where they

have the most ability to harm people like of all the people who could be president if you picked

then I think about this is one of the reasons why I like certification if you pick like you look at

any the best senator you look at Bernie like and I'm not saying Bernie is the best but yeah

he's well known you look at what's his name mark mark mark fuck M.

R.

K.

you know why I've got his name I'm terrible with names I can see his face I can almost see his

name and I can't quite spell it but you have these other guys that are like the relative

of the good people who again should that be in the office because they've been you know they've

been there for too fucking long but these people if you picked a random person completely random

person I would bet that that random person would probably be better and certainly when you start

looking at trumps like it you know you could pick 99 out of 100 people and they would be better

than Trump probably 99,99 out of 10,000 probably like 10 million minus one people out of 10

million people like he is an exception of an exception of an exception of horrible and you could pick

by chance and the odds that you would pick one person by chance who's that horrible are exceedingly

slim and then you think about this and you got a bunch of people even if you happen to pick one

bad person by certification you got so many other people that you're you're going to get better

people on average it's just statistically improbable especially when you start building a society

where people are actually studying ethics and starting to really understand and learn things and like

why we do certain things certain ways um it would just it I think it would be better I don't know

I could be wrong but I think it's much better way to do things I hope I hope that we start figuring

shit out too because this is this is not a good or sustainable way of doing stuff I hope that we've

fucking yeah let's let's get the fuck out of here and not not do it like this anymore I think that

I think you can kind of see like this is not working the people who are running shit are not

the people who should be running shit and when I say that I don't just mean the Trumps I mean the

Democrats I don't like the Republicans are fucking horrible the Democrats are fucking horrible and I'm not

equating this to I'm not saying like oh both are the same both are terrible in their own different

ways but both are terrible and again pro wrestling and all this kind of stuff if you if you do this

certification thing having political parties no longer really makes sense now you can have people

organizing around certain things you can have like a green piece or something and they can not necessarily

lobby but they can sort of encourage people to do stuff but you know having stuff where you have

a Democrat or Republican and you have to do all the politicians stuff and run for office and

be slick and be all it all that stuff is terrible and it gets the worst people and it gets the

rewards the people who are really the ones who should last be in the positions that they end up getting

into so I hope I hope you'll I hope you'll I hope sweet grass we'll get to the point where you

could try it and maybe like it and maybe maybe share it with some friends especially the hosted

version if I'm able to like I don't want to make a lot of money with it but I'd like to make enough

that I could live and become terrible and start getting you a better situation for myself and maybe

for other people would be nice and so we'll see with that thank you as always such end

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By Scott Menor, PhD

November 01, 2025

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Episode Transcript

Hey there I'm Scott and this is Tangents.

Well, my mom and sister just left for her by E.

They're going to Kauai`i and they'll be there for the week.

So I will have the place to myself for the week.

I'm going to try to bank up some episodes.

I don't

know if I'm going to put them out or if I'll bank them.

I should I know bank them up

and push them out slowly over time.

But the way that I operate I probably will just

release them on the day of or shortly thereafter either way.

There should be more coming

in the nearest future than there have been for a while.

So got that out of the way.

I could have

gone although I have no job, I have no money.

And the little bit of money that I do have left over

is going to completely evaporate in about early December mid-December that the current rate.

And it's kind of something because I have done so much to reduce my burn rate.

I had the car

that I couldn't get rid of.

I had the apartment that I did eventually get rid of, but

obviously made a place to the live.

So I'm living with my sister and I rent free.

Which is complicated,

but you know I appreciate it very much.

It's a place to be.

I definitely definitely

miss having my own space and being able to control like the temperature and the light and all

that kind of stuff.

Just having a place to work and just sit and you know having control of some

stuff.

I miss that very much and I would like to have that again soon.

I don't know.

I don't want

to talk too much about that, but it is it has been difficult.

Let's just say that.

But it's

working.

It's nice spending a lot of time with my mom and her cat is slowly warming up to me,

which is he has PTSD.

His name is Snoop and after Snoop Dogg.

But he's a cute cat that he is

definitely traumatized and you can see like if I if you stay still he will come to you eventually

kind of, but he is so skittish and he's so freaked out and any kind of noise or anything.

Anyway, I don't want to I don't want to talk about that.

That's not what I'm here to talk about.

The thing I am interested in saying of courses, I reduced my burn rate so much, so much.

I'm working

in the last little bit of, well other than credit card debt, which is massive and then student

loan debt, which makes the credit card debt look like nothing.

The credit card debt, the annoying

thing about it, I'm going to talk a little bit about this, I guess.

Then I will get to the subject

at hand.

But like three years ago, three years ago, I had a company and it seemed like everything

was going well, a little bit like the summer we had a retreat and we had I think like eight,

maybe ten employees, I don't even remember, but it felt fucking good.

If everybody had to

Sonoma and sit at a nice hotel and got you know, it felt really good.

It felt like things were

on the upswing.

Finally, I was getting paid pretty decently and you know, it seemed like things were

converging and I will say and I don't blame my business partner.

I should have been paying

attention to the numbers and all those kind of stuff.

But I got sick of doing the business stuff,

I'm not a finance guy.

I don't even understand the concept of money.

I've mentioned that a couple

times, I think, and I mean that seriously.

I mean, every time I talk about this, I think it's

necessary to say.

I have an undergrad degree in mathematics.

I have a PhD in physics.

I understand

what the concept of money.

I even have an undergrad minor in anthropology and I could have done

a major in anthropology.

If I would have gone another semester, I understand the idea, you have

taken economics courses, I've taken finance.

I understand what money and currency is supposed to be.

But it's not real.

It's fucking unreal.

Even the story that people tell about it,

how like, oh, once upon a time, people used to barter for things.

The thing is, the bartering was

inconvenient.

Instead of trying to do like three layers of bartering to convert from one thing to

another thing, we just got a currency.

It's bullshit.

If you actually go to indigenous populations

that you look at historic human societies, the way that they actually operated almost entirely

were gift economies, which is to say, I have extra of something.

You need it and so I'll give it to

you.

And the reason for this, it makes a lot of sense.

If you have ever known somebody who has like a

fruit tree, like, you know, somebody who has a great fruit tree, that thing produces so much more

than one person or even one family can consume.

If you're a fisher person, you can go out and

fish.

And on one hand, this is a little different now because we've got overfishing and all those

kind of stuff.

But if you are in sort of a more natural state and you go fishing, it's easy to catch

enough fish relatively speaking for yourself and your family.

And the incremental cost of catching

a lot more and being able to give fish to other people is not that much.

And so people used to do it

and the incremental cost of growing a little bit of extra grain or growing a little bit of extra

whatever the fuck is that that much.

So it's much easier.

I mean, you look at like anything.

If you

talk to people who grow fucking cucumbers, they are annoyed by how easy they are and how much they

propagate and how many fucking cucumbers they have.

And it's like a problem.

It's like a disease

because you need to get rid of these fucking things.

Well, that's how a lot of stuff actually is.

This is something like we treat the people who grow our food, who harvest the food,

all of this kind of stuff.

So fucking horribly.

And I remember it's been years now since I saw this.

But I was watching something and I checked this out.

It's actually true.

It's not bullshit.

And basically this thing was saying that if you wanted to double not not like increment by 10% or

20%.

But if you wanted to double what the people who are picking lettuce are getting paid,

all it would cost is to add about one penny per head of lettuce.

It's not that much.

You could

make these jobs much less miserable.

You could make them actually pay well.

You could make them

actually be good jobs that are comfortable to do, that you don't even have like each person

instead of working them to death.

You let them do it kind of freely.

And you don't have to make

it fucking miserable.

And you could make a fuckload of lettuce and have plenty for everybody.

So anyway, they did going back.

They gift the economy thing.

Once you start learning about

this, it gets really irritating because it's like, okay, well that's that whole storyline that

people tell all bullshit.

And then you think about economics.

Like, if you talk to economists,

you talk to people who do this stuff or, you know, they're actually at PhDs or degrees in the

stuff.

They treat it as though they're talking about like something like energy or mass,

something that is fundamental and real.

And what really is true about currency and about money as it

exists today is that this started a long time ago, too.

A bank would take a certain amount of money,

you give them a dollar.

And that bank would use that dollar and lend out $10.

And that scale is about

right by the way.

The bank would lend out a multiple of what they've taken in.

And of course,

all the people that are borrowing those $10, they put it in a bank and now the bank has $10.

And they can lend out $100 because it's $10.

And it's a fucking fantasy.

It's completely disconnected

from any kind of reality.

All the stuff that, you know, your bank accounts, those are literally

as real as scores in a video game.

I mean, and again, I know it sounds like bullshit and you have

this whole idea that, oh well, if we just gave people money, then it would just drive up the cost of it.

No, it wouldn't.

And even if it did, you know, if you just, I mean, if you want to get extreme with

this, give everybody $100 trillion.

Now, all of a sudden, all those billionaires, those people with

hundreds of billions of dollars, inflation basically nuke them.

They're their net worth has gone

to a rounding error.

You know, everybody has way more than they had.

And they have way more than

they used to have to.

But now we have inflation and things kind of renormalize.

And it's sort of,

you know, now of course, if you keep running the game as it is, you're going to end up getting

some kind of like some people when and some people lose.

And then over time, because you're running

the same system and you're playing the same fucking game, you're going to end up with some people

accumulating more and more.

And you have the same problem.

It's just delaying it.

You have to do

something else.

You can't, you can't just operate that way.

But if you did that, it wouldn't hurt

anything.

It wouldn't change anything fundamentally.

It wouldn't, it's not like if I suddenly gave

everybody a credit card.

And every credit card that I've given you, it just has $1,000 on it,

or what, you know, $5,000, whatever it is.

And it has that much.

And at the end of the month, it just

zeroes up.

Like your credit card, you put, you can put, you can use it, you could not use it.

It doesn't

matter.

But you go out to dinner, you buy groceries, you do whatever with it.

And I'm not talking about,

you know, you be I here exactly.

But you could just give everybody a credit card, like that,

and zero it out.

And it would literally not hurt anything.

In fact, what it would do ultimately

is massively stimulate the actual economy.

It would, because all of a sudden, a bunch of small

businesses can thrive.

A bunch of businesses like restaurants start doing massive amounts of

business.

They start doing really well.

Any kind of thing that is currently in some kind of

constraint is no longer.

All of a sudden, if you want to just work on something and make art,

for example, or whatever, you could do it.

You could magically do it.

And if you have a shitty job

and that job is pointless and it's like torture, you could just tell your boss to go fuck

up yourself.

You could just, I assumed a little bit of sex there.

But you know, you could tell your

boss to go fuck themselves.

And it really wouldn't, like the only thing it would hurt is the people

who have arranged the system in such a way that they are on top and they get everybody else to work

for them and they get to be lazy asses.

Like it's the most frustrating thing, because you have these

people who have, and I don't mean to pathologize it, but it really is like a disease.

Like

there's not enough, it's this insatiable hunger to constantly have more and more and accumulate.

It's essentially like a form of hoarding and you get these people and they get a hundred billion dollars,

two hundred billion dollars.

You have the amount of money that allows you to have your own fucking

space program.

You know, you have that much money.

You have the amount of money that you could

end up individually by yourself and poverty and hunger and you don't do it.

That's the amount

of money these people have.

And it's not enough.

They're fucking poor.

They are the poorest people

on the planet.

Our people like Elon Musk and like Bezos and all these fucking assholes,

they just will never have enough.

They will never feel like it is enough.

And they have more

more of everything than anyone could ever use in a thousand lifetimes.

It's disgusting.

It's

truly disgusting.

So anyway, I don't want to, I don't want to ramble too much about that, but

when you, I say, I don't understand the concept of money.

I genuinely don't.

If you change

numbers in a fucking database, it wouldn't hurt anybody.

It would actually help things.

And

because of those numbers in a database, people starve to death.

People kill each other.

People

do all kinds of horrible things and people suffer.

Like most of the suffering on the planet now

that is not stuff like, you know, did it get a stuff that can't be stopped? There's stuff that's

very difficult to stop at least.

Diseases.

Like, you, somebody has cancer.

Maybe we don't have

the technology to do anything about it.

Maybe they have some kind of an anatomical issue that

is very difficult to correct.

Anything like that.

Those kinds of things are very difficult to fix.

But when it's like, you don't have enough food.

Well, more than enough food rocks on this fucking

planet, then it would take defeat to everybody.

Like, everybody who starts that off is a deliberate

choice.

It is absolutely violent.

It is absolutely fucking horrible.

It is absolutely unnecessary.

There's zero reason.

Any human being in this day and age should ever start to death.

There's

zero reason.

Anyone should not have a fucking house.

And I say a house.

I mean, I don't think people

should have a house because dense living is much better generally speaking.

Now, in I don't mean

like living on top of each other in this horrible situation.

And yeah, there are ways to do it

that are much better.

Like, you go to Tokyo.

And I'm not saying Japan is great.

There are obviously

lots of problems with any place.

But you go to Tokyo.

And this is a place where you have, I think

the population is like 20 million people.

I don't remember exactly.

But you have this huge population

and it literally feels like a garden in a lot of the places that you are.

It literally feels

now it's 14 million people.

Sorry.

It's not 20 million people.

I was exaggerating.

But so

it feels like a fucking like walk in the park in a lot of places.

Now there are places which are kind of

like a city.

Anyone who says city, I mean they built up in a lot of buildings and very industrial

and all this kind of stuff.

But most of this stuff, you walk around and it's like parks.

It's like trees

and little paths and it's awesome.

And it does not need to be like a fucking nightmare.

Like you

could have that many people in that kind of dense population.

And in doing that because you have

that density, you could have all these businesses.

You could have, you know, you want to eat something.

You could just walk around, not have a plan, not know where you're going to go.

And you'll

stumble by a bunch of restaurants.

You can go to a bakery.

You can go to a coffee shop.

Now not every neighborhood has all that stuff.

But you could find the lot of it.

And the thing

that's ridiculous about it also is like, I've wandered around that city, fair bit.

And you go to

even the sort of like suburbish areas, you'll find a fucking ramen shop or a soba shop.

And it will

be like for five bucks.

And I'm not even exaggerating on the prices.

For ridiculous, it'll be like

five bucks and about the best soba you've ever had.

If you're coming from the US like I am.

And that's just like a normal lunch.

That's not a big deal.

Now you can, you could certainly go,

like, I, there are restaurants there where it'll be sushi and it's hundreds of dollars.

But you could get pretty good food and pretty comfortable situation and live in a

situation where, and I'm not saying go to Tokyo, please.

But I am saying, you know, like,

you can have a place where it's actually nice and livable and you have public transit and all

those kind of stuff.

That's how it should fucking be.

You can have a place where you have

universal healthcare.

Like, nobody needs to die because they don't have fucking health insurance

or because they don't have enough money to pay for healthcare.

It's ridiculous.

It's, again,

just like food.

It's not a real scarcity.

The only real scarcity that is there

at all is that we don't have enough doctors.

And the reason we don't have enough

doctors is not because of how enough people who are qualified and capable want to go to medical

school.

It's because all of the medical schools deliberately create scarcity.

They don't want to

have too many doctors because if you have too many doctors, then the amount of money that a doctor

can command is not that much.

It's not like a massively rare profession.

It's something, and of course

in doing this because they've done that because they've created this artificial scarcity.

And yeah,

it's not like you could just turn this on.

It just to be clear.

You would have to open the, you know,

you grow the programs slowly over time, get more and more people in medical school.

And then

the residency programs you have to deal with, you have to fund them somehow.

There are, there are

logistical programs.

It's not like a trivial thing, but you could have suddenly, in five or

ten years, a hundred times more surgeons and doctors.

You could have all these people, not only

having, you know, that many more people that are capable and qualified, they could be working 30

hours a week and doing a much better job.

Imagine what you could, like, I understand you're a doctor,

you're like, oh, I need to make $500,000 a year.

I need to make $700,000, or whatever the

fucking, you know, and it's never enough.

It's not, again, this disease of our culture, of our society.

And I'm not trying to pathologist it, but it is kind of a disease that you can never be sight,

satisfaction.

You can never be satiated.

If you just did this, you would have so many more doctors,

anyone who needs medical care could get it.

And not just from a person who chose a profession that

they thought was going to pay them well, but from a person who wanted to be a doctor.

Like there

are so many people who want to be doctors.

Their aspiration in life is just to help people just

to do medicine.

Like that is a thing.

There are so many people I know, personally, who,

like their aspiration was to work in research.

Like I know a bunch of people who went to my

fucking, that got PhDs with me, people who, and I don't mean they like, I knew one guy,

almost said his name, I'm not going to say his name, but I knew one guy who started the program with me,

and then he washed out.

Maybe there were other people, he's the only one that I know of

specifically.

It wasn't a surprise that he washed out, but he didn't make it through.

But most of

the people in my program who started got PhDs and not many of them actually got academic jobs.

A lot of them wanted to do research, a lot of them wanted to do stuff, but they couldn't do it,

because there's no funding.

There's not like a lie, it's frustrating because these are people

who would have been very good researchers.

They're not like incompetent people.

They're not

people who are incapable, or they're not people who are not hardworking.

They're not people who

aren't going to do a good job, or don't want to.

They're not people who are lazy,

although, again, being lazy, you should not preclude the ability to have food and shelter

and medical care and all that kind of stuff.

But these are people who would actually make massive

contributions to society, and they can't.

And I think about this all the time, because

though, that's physics, right? But there are lots of people who would do that kind of stuff

for say, drum discovery.

And drum discovery, it's like one of the things about all of this kind

of basic research is you don't know which particular line of research is going to lead to something

to a met a massive discovery, but you do know if you do enough basic research with absolute certainty,

some of it will strike gold.

Some of it will actually work out.

And so I think about this drug

discovery thing, if you had thousands more tens of thousands more PhD researchers working on

drug discovery, we would have so many better drugs.

And I don't mean, you know, like hallucinogens

and things like that, although I'm probably, but I mean also like antibiotics.

We'd probably

have much better antibiotics.

We'd have other classes of antibiotics that don't exist now.

But the most important one that I think about a lot is my mom is on blood thinners.

And prior to being on blood thinners, she used to have, I guess it wasn't aspirin.

It was

IVU pro from, but she used to take that every day.

And her back was actually manageable.

She could walk

and be comfortable and not be in pain.

And she said chronic back pain, since I was, I think

in like third grade, because she fell and broke her back and was in a hospital bed in the

house for like six months.

And since then has had chronic back pain.

That was a long time ago.

But she was taking IVU pro for every day.

And her back pain was actually pretty good.

It was,

you know, it was still there.

But it was manageable.

It was tolerable.

And then she got on

these blood thinners and you can't be on IVU pro for any more.

So now she's got the pain again.

But you think about this, there are absolutely no.

I am certain that there are things that you could

find drugs that would work.

Simple, small molecule drugs.

I don't mean like complicated.

You

need 15 things.

Oh, maybe those kinds of things also would exist.

But you know, a single small

molecule drug, there is some chemical that you could take that would help her pain and not conflict

with those blood thinners.

There's absolutely also some small molecule you could make and take.

That would, for example, stop pain in general.

Like, you know, give you not like an opiate where

you can tolerate the pain, but just shut off pain, shut off burning, shut off whatever, you know,

sensation.

There are drugs like that that are in the space of possibility.

And I say that

and obviously like you don't know, you can't prove that something exists.

I would say the probability

of it not being the case is roughly, you know, it's that zero or it's that it's not guaranteed

not to be zero, but it's so close to being zero that it might as well be zero.

I can't say that it's

I can't say it absolutely exists, but it almost certainly exists.

Now it almost certainly exists.

And if it doesn't exist, there's something else that would work and be able to do about the same

thing.

Maybe there's some other, maybe there's some way to treat the stuff that she's got.

Maybe there's something that you could do that would make her feel better and not just be like a

chronic sort of drug that you have to be on the rest of your life, but actually could help you.

Those kinds of things absolutely potentially exist.

And we're missing out on them.

There are so many things that just are unnecessarily worse than they have to be because we don't

have people working on the stuff that they might be working on.

And it annoys the shit out of me to

think about it.

Like I think about, I started when I left ASU, and when I worked at ASU before,

also, I don't want to get into that originally, but it was frustrating that I was trying to

build towards something.

And part of it was because I wanted to be a director, although I didn't

really want to run stuff, but I kind of wanted to.

But also partly, I just wanted to build something,

like a statewide super computing partnership kind of thing.

And I was trying to get an infrastructure

grant that tried to do some stuff.

And then some Jackass, who was fucking incompetent,

and was already a professor making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

Tenured professor,

asshole, making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

He weasled his way in, got to be the

director, and sailed that fucking thing that I was working at into the ground, which is why I

quit that job.

I quit that job because I was fucking miserable in it after he started doing this.

And I still, I took like nine months, I wound down the stuff I was working on.

You know,

it wasn't like an abrupt, I quit.

But I did that, and then I started thinking about what I wanted

to work on.

And I came up with an idea, and I still have this idea, and it's annoying to me,

because this was like 2013.

If I was working on this shit from then till now, and when I say

working on it, I mean, you have been tinkering with it in the background, but if I was actually

like seriously working on it, I had the resources, and especially team, and all those kind of stuff

to do it, I would be so far along by now.

But instead, I spent that time trying to find other ways

to like make money, trying to find other ways, and I worked on like just the most ridiculous shit

for people, designing products for people who have terrible ideas, and all of these people that

have these terrible ideas, it's not like they're not inventors that are like, I have this problem

that I need to solve.

This is why they're terrible ideas, by the way.

They're not people who are

going like, this thing really fucking bothers me.

And I'm sure, even if you don't know that

a bothers other people, it probably does, because if it bothers you, you're not unique, you're not

a snowflake.

So if a bothers you, it's bothering a lot of people.

And you think about it, and you're

like, I need to fix this.

That's how you get good ideas, right? These are people who are

working backwards, and they're like, oh, well, I really badly, you know, and they're all people

with a lot of money, like a lot of money compared to most people, but not like a lot of money,

a lot of money, like doctors, they have tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, and they're like

small millions of dollars, but they want to be like, they want to ten exit, they want to be

a hundred millionaire, and then the hundred millionaire wants to be the billionaire, and the

billionaire wants to be the hundred billionaire.

They're all like, nobody's fucking satisfied in the

system.

And these people are looking at that, and I'm like, oh, I just, if I just make up something,

then I can become super rich, and then I'll be happier.

I don't know what the story is that

they're telling themselves, but they come up with these fucking terrible ideas.

And the problem is,

of course, I was in a desperate place.

I needed to work on, or I needed to work on stuff.

I wanted

to work, I had plenty of stuff to work on.

This is the thing that fucking pisses me off as much

as anything, because I am not a lazy person.

I'm somebody who's actually quite motivated, and I'm

able to, I'm quite capable.

I'm not the be, like, sucking my own dick too much, but I'm actually

pretty capable of doing a lot of stuff.

I'm pretty good at some of the stuff that I do.

I'm not,

you know, like, I'm actually, I would hire me.

I might not, because I'd be a pain in the ass.

I really would, and I'm not saying the, yeah, I'm not saying I'm a bad worker if a bad attitude,

but I definitely, I have, I will work on stuff if I find it interesting and if I find it,

like, valuable and meaningful.

And when it's stuff that is just, you know, like, doing some

turn-and-crank for a paycheck, I'm much less motivated.

I'm much less happy about it.

But,

yeah, I would still probably hire me for a lot of stuff.

But that being said,

I would work on a lot of stuff that would be much more valuable to people.

I have,

I have less crappy ideas than these people.

And part of it is because I am bothered by things,

and I know how to fix them, and I know what you can do, and I know how you get, I have, like, a

road map to it, and I can actually do some stuff.

And it pisses me off that I have been working on

these fucking ridiculous shit, these ridiculous ideas for people.

I'm not going to specifically

go into them, because I, I think the NDAs have probably actually lapsed on most of the stuff already,

but they're terrible.

Like, pretty much everything that I've worked on in the past that was for

somebody else was not a good idea.

It was not something that was worth putting time or effort into.

And it was literally just somebody wanted to be, they wanted an invention.

They wanted to make more

money.

They wanted to get like a little bit bigger, nesting, and, you know, they wanted to have a

second house.

They wanted to have whatever fucking luxury that they, but whatever it was, that drove

them to come up with, okay, well, I've got to think of something.

Here's this terrible idea that I have,

and they're not going to pay enough to actually develop it.

This is the other fucking annoying thing

about this.

They're not going to pay like the cost to actually like make a product to make something

that is a consumer product that has all the certifications you need, that has all the stuff that you

is expensive.

It's fucking expensive.

Like companies spend regularly to develop new products,

millions of dollars, and they'll have a team of people, and it's not just the team of people,

but it'll be a team of people who've done it over and over and over again.

They're not people who

were just like one-offing stuff.

And so you're coming in, and you're like, I have this

terrible idea, but I have $10,000.

Here's $20,000 for you.

Here's even $100,000, which people don't

want to part with, but like $100,000 sounds like a lot of money, and it is a lot of money,

but when you start going into actual product development, it's enough to make like a for a simple

mechanical or electrical device.

It's enough to get to like some prototype stuff.

It's enough to

maybe make a small pre-production run or something.

Depending on what it is, you might be able

to get someplace, but it's probably not going to get you to a volume product.

It's probably

not going to get you to something that is actually cheap to manufacture, that is reliable,

that is durable, that is a quality product.

And if you look at companies like Apple,

that make things, they'll spend $10,000,000,000 dollars, billions of dollars working on new product

development.

And even then, even then, the thing that comes out will be like the Vision Pro,

which is, I will say, there are some things about it that are kind of magical, and then there are

some things about it that are terrible.

And it's fucking annoying that you can spend that much money

on this thing that is kind of a not great idea.

You can feel with that product.

I can't

talk about the people that I've developed so far, but I can talk about the Vision Pro.

And the

watch, frankly, these are products that I feel like Tim Cook thought that, you know, like,

Steve, and I have mixed feelings about Steve.

I'm not saying Steve is a great guy, but

Steve had some kind of capability.

He doesn't play the instruments, but he's playing the orchestra.

I don't think that's a completely bullshit thing.

I don't want to give him too much credit also,

but I think that there's something to be said.

He's actually pretty good at this kind of stuff,

or was.

But, you know, you have Tim Cook.

And Tim Cook is not.

Tim Cook is not really,

he's very, as far as I know, as far as I understand, as far as I've heard from people,

he's extremely good at operations and supply chain.

And, you know, he was, I don't want to say

magical at it, but really great at it.

In terms of great by the metric of making a lot of money,

having things be efficient and quick in all this kind of stuff.

He was good at that.

And he's not

a product guy.

He's not a, like, idea guy.

And so he tried to come up with some shit.

And he's got

the watch, which, it's just like, why? It's just, I don't understand the point of this product.

Like,

why do you have this product that you spent, again, they probably spent into the billions of

dollars to develop it.

I haven't looked at the history, but I would say, over the course of many

years, certainly over the course of all the versions of it that they've had, they've spent that

much.

But even for the initial product development, they probably spent a ridiculous, ridiculous amount

of money developing that thing.

And you can tell because you look at all of the, like,

just the assembly of that thing, which is not great for disassembly or, you know, maintainability

or, any, anything like that.

But the assembly of it is a lot of complex tiny pieces that are

very dense.

You have circuit boards that are very dense.

You have ICs that are very dense and

custom.

And everything is just like so.

And you have these mechanical modules that kind of go in

there and they all click together.

And it's, it's a pretty, you know, you think about the number

of teams, not just individual people, but teams that worked on that thing.

And then don't even,

don't even get into the fucking software.

Like, think about how much work went into the software

and then also, I mean, you're like, the, the, the OLEDs.

So you've got contract work from other

companies doing this kind of stuff and figuring out the bezels and figuring out how do you do the

CNC milling on the glass and how do you, how do you do all this, all of that kind of stuff

easily billions of dollars, billions of dollars to make that thing.

And your idea is to make some

little crappy product.

And you want to spend a tiny amount of money on it, which, you know,

and again, I'm pretty good.

I'm pretty efficient.

But I can't magically, you know, I'm one guy

or we had a small team at one point.

Couldn't magically do like too much.

And again, these people

would not want to pay enough money, would not understand.

And part of that I understand is

your fault, my fault being that you're not explaining to people like you.

This is how this is going

to go.

This is what you need.

And this is how far this is going to get you.

This is how far you have

to go.

And never mind also, like, you get people that want to do like medical devices and things like this,

because a consumer product with a battery in it, just doing that, even if you're using pre-built

modules, everybody wants to make it really tiny, everyone wants to make it, and if you make it tiny,

you have to do custom stuff.

And if you make custom stuff, you have to get like the battery

certified and tested.

You have to do, you have to know how to design a battery, so it's not

going to burst into flames, or just expand and push things apart.

And, you know, because there are

a lot of things that can happen to lithium ion batteries that aren't just burning up.

All

of burning up is definitely not a thing you want to have to happen.

But having all that stuff work,

understanding how to integrate it, understanding, oh, well, you know, like 95% of these batteries

are going to be within these this volume brandar.

But some of them, just because of process controls,

are going to be a little bit bigger.

And some of them are not going to fit in the module that you

made.

Now you're going to either waste them, or you're going to have to design around that,

or you're going to have to do.

And you start figuring stuff like this out when you start scaling it up.

And you think about, like, that's the battery.

That's the fucking battery.

And that's going to be

something that depends on, like, whatever product you're making.

How much, how much are you trying,

or how big is the battery? How much are you charging it? How many cycles is it supposed to work for

how much current draw or power dissipation is there? What is the environment that it's operating at?

And, you know, you think about, you got that, and then you look, the simplest fucking thing.

You have a battery.

You have a simple control board, which has the battery charger on it,

which has microcontroller, some kind of sensors, or actuators, or whatever.

And then you have

the enclosure housing for all that kind of stuff.

And your options are, you can get pre-built modules

that are, even if they're dense, they're not going to be, like, this was another thing that annoyed

me.

We worked on this project for one group of people.

And because they wanted, they actually had

decent budget, but not a great budget.

And they were people who were coming from a company that

understands something about, like, what is involved in this kind of stuff? Because of all that

kind of stuff, the thing that we made was a pretty big thing.

It was, I was not happy with it.

But we did considering the fact that we're using off the shelf parts, off the shelf actuators,

off the shelf, everything, and then you know, making our unboard and enclosures and all that kind of stuff.

We had it about as small as you could make it with those constraints, but it was still too big.

It was still kind of foggy.

It was not great.

We had to do, like, two part molds for stuff.

And yeah,

you just look at that and it's like, it's not great.

It's annoying.

It's annoying.

When you look

it stuff that is really highly consumer-polish kind of stuff.

That, like, the amount of time

and money and effort that goes in to just figuring out the enclosure, or figuring out how things

get assembled, that figuring out how they get flashed, and how they, like, all of the steps,

figuring out how you do all the QA on this stuff.

All that kind of stuff takes a lot of money.

Building a test chick.

This is another thing people never want to fucking pay for.

But designing

the test systems for your product probably costs as much to make as the product itself that

if you're going to do it well, especially if you're doing it for volume production,

it's your essentially designing a second product.

Now, there are things where people who do this

they'll, they do it a lot, and so some of it is kind of, you know, just cookie cutter stuff.

But when you're really, like, if you're building something and you want to make sure,

you can actuate it mechanically, or do, like, some kind of simulated test, or whatever,

it is.

That kind of stuff takes time.

It takes effort.

It takes money.

And nobody wants to pay for it.

And again, this is all for a product that is probably in most of these cases.

There were some

things that I worked on that actually I found kind of interesting, and I thought were good ideas.

But for the most part, shitty idea, not enough money, and you're not going to be happy with

whatever we get to.

And then you're certainly not going to pay, you know, at 10 times more

than you already gave, to get from there to a final product.

And you're also not going to pay,

you know, I mean, just doing the engineering and design work for something is expensive.

But getting the tooling, if you want to make, like, people aren't like, I want to make this volume

product.

I'm going to sum millions of them.

Okay, when you're making millions of something,

just getting a fucking tool cut to do injection molded plastic for it.

Not fucking cheap.

You

get a steel tool cut.

It is expensive.

And that will, you know, have a certain life to it.

And also,

as you shoot more and more parts out of that, especially if you're using, like, glass filled

nylon or something, that's going to wear, you know, even if you're using just anything,

thermal cycles, all this kind of stuff is going to wear it down over time.

It has a finite life.

And the tolerance is going to get sloppy over time.

And you want to build stuff and you want to

figure out, it's like, everything has to fit just together, and everything, it's all hard,

it's all expensive.

And nobody wants to pay for it.

And again, the idea is crappy, and most of

these cases, because you're not building something to solve a real problem.

And you look at

just this, it was so frustrating.

I spent so much time.

And to be fair, I figured out how to do

a lot of stuff pretty cheaply.

I figured out how to, like, I'm not saying it was a complete waste of

time and effort, but at the same time, all that time that I spent on those projects, if I would have

worked on my own shit, I would be done with so many things that are so much cooler by now.

I would have products out that would be like, I would like to say, pretty high volume products,

things that people would actually be using and finding useful.

And even if they weren't,

you know, they even small volumes for some of these things, it'd be enough that I could just live

comfortably.

And which is really fundamentally, this is another, I haven't even gotten to the

sweet press.

This is, it's funny.

I'm 40 minutes into this.

I haven't even gotten to the thing

I wanted to talk about, I will, I will get to do it, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna talk a little bit

more about like venture capital and private equity in this kind of stuff.

I'm gonna make this

like the super abbreviated version.

I will make one of these on PE.

I'm gonna make it note to myself

about that right now.

But because PE is a whole fucking topic of itself.

And I guess, in some ways,

I'm glad that I was never able to raise a mass of the amount of money because the VCs will push

you to do just ridiculous shit and it'll be terrible.

And, you know, it's different if you have

enough of a resource to do development.

Like the stuff that I want to make for the most part,

it'd be years of development.

It would be a significant amount of time and effort invested in it.

And, and, and, and, expense to, to get parts made and, you know, like doing, doing stuff that's not cheap.

Um, but anyway, getting, getting back to that.

Um, I, I'm just thinking, I'm gonna, I'm gonna,

I'm gonna leave that subject for now because it's, it's, it's annoying me just to think about.

But,

the amount of stuff that, uh, they're not just looking back at how many things I did

to, to make shit for people that never ended up converging because they would, again, you know,

I'm, I'm working for this person who's not gonna pay enough to, to get it into any kind of

volume production.

They're making something that nobody's actually going to buy.

And, you know,

it's just, like, just that end shit that was a waste.

And it's frustrating.

It's very frustrating.

It's making me sad.

It's like so much fucking time spent on building shit like that.

I, I should have been, I should have just been figuring out how to do it myself.

I, I, you know,

I don't even know what I could have done.

I don't know how I could have gone a different path and made that work.

But what I do know is actually, like, things should just be such that, you know, you can,

you could just live.

You could just have a place.

And I, like, I don't need a fucking mansion.

I need a kitchen that's decent.

That, like, extravagant.

But, you know, like, I can cook there.

A fridge, a stove, a sink, a place to the sort of chill, a bed, a bedroom.

And a little place to work.

Yeah, I could, I'm, I'm in my sister's place right now.

And I'm in the, I'm in, it's a three-level place.

The level I'm in, if I had this much space as an apartment, and it was kind of partitioned a little bit,

I'd actually probably be fine.

I, it would be nice to have, like, maybe a little bit more, but I could,

yeah, you have a bedroom, a bathroom, all that stuff, and you could just be comfortable.

That's, that's the stuff that I want.

I don't need, I mean, it would be nice to be able to fly.

I like flying, but also, you know,

what flying is kind of silly.

And I, I, I thought a lot about this.

I don't think that it's a great thing

for anybody to be doing.

Even if it was completely, like, you have micro-nuclear reactors or something,

and flying doesn't have a huge environment, the limping, or whatever it is.

Even if that was the case,

and it was safe, which it's not.

I mean, it's relatively safe, but, you know, flying a small airplane,

there's a lot of stuff you could, they could go wrong with a small single-engine plane.

Like, you know, even if, even if it was perfectly safe, even if it was free, even if there's no really

environmental cost, I don't know that it's a great thing for people to be flying, really,

not unnecessarily.

It's nice to have clear skies.

It really is.

Anyway, but, you know,

I'm just saying, like, I would want to travel a little bit, traveling is nice, but,

there, I don't need, like, massive extravagances.

I don't need ridiculous luxury stuff.

I want the stuff that I need to work, the stuff that I need to be comfortable.

That's kind of it.

And there's this thing, that this is going to be the end of this part, but there's this idea

that people in VCE and NPE look at very derisively, and this is what they call the

air quotes lifestyle business, which is a business that is actually a productive, profitable

business.

This is what the people in private equity think is terrible.

It's a business that is,

you know, like, paying you a comfortable salary, paying maybe a small team of people,

a comfortable salary, having, you know, whatever, what it pretty is, it's like a mom and pop shop,

or a little engineering company, or a little whatever, and, you know, you're actually doing good

stuff, and you have enough money that you're comfortable, and that people are comfortable.

That is a lifestyle business, and, you know, the people who are VCEs, who mostly are terrible,

you know, like a horrible judgment, they don't know what the fuck they're doing.

A lot of these people,

you know, VCE is a derisive term, I had to me, and I'm not just sour grapes, I think that there

is just my opinion of the people that have met in that domain, not fucking grape, but anyway,

coming back.

That lifestyle business actually is a fucking good thing.

It's, you know, like,

mom and pop shops are a good thing.

At this idea that you have to have one guy, one guy who's at

the top of, like, all of the money that was going through a hundred thousand lifestyle businesses,

and that's all coming into one person.

Jeff Bezos doesn't need that.

Think about all of the stores.

Think about how much nicer it is, to have all those different stores, to have all those, like,

local grocery stores, to have local specialty shops.

They, you know, that's something that you should

put money into.

We should put resources into, like, Paris puts money into bakeries.

And it's good.

It makes it nice if you are in Paris, you can walk around, and there's a fucking Petisserie,

and a Boulangerie within a couple blocks of wherever the fuck you are.

And it's probably pretty good.

It's probably, it's probably actually pretty good.

It might not be great, but it's not going

to be terrible.

And, you know, even if it's not the best, there's going to be another one in a few

blocks.

And yeah, it's just, it's, it's a much better place.

It's a much better way to make things work.

It's a much better way to live.

So this gets, anyway, coming finally back to this week grass.

The thing that, I'm going to give you a little motivation for this, a little explanation of

what got me to this.

And I feel like I'm, I don't know if anybody's going to get 47 minutes

under this thing and actually keep listening.

But now I'm talking about this week grass.

I should put chapter markers on it.

But I need to figure that out.

I really, I tried putting them

on one, and it didn't work.

And then I kind of temporarily, at least, gave up, but I will work on

chapter markers one day, but probably not today.

The thing that got that gets me, and this is

something that I've thought a lot about for a long time.

But it's not that expensive.

Like, if you

want to have a personal website, you can get certainly obviously do like square spaces,

or something like that, which is not cheap.

It's, I think, you know, 30 bucks a month or something.

I don't know how much, I know there are hosting things that are cheaper.

But, you know, you're

paying 10, 20, 30 bucks a month.

And the traffic that you're getting, isn't that really that much?

It probably doesn't justify it for most people.

So you're, you're not using that much worth of

storage or capacity or anything.

And you could, you could do co-hosting, you could do a lot of stuff.

But, I'm just saying, there are ways that you could do this under the current circumstances

that you have your own thing.

And it's not that expensive.

It's attainable, attainable to one

person or a small group.

And even if you have a decently busy sort of thing, it's tens of bucks

or a hundred bucks or even two hundred bucks a month.

That kind of hosting, you could probably pay

for.

That kind of hosting, you could kind of manage.

The problem is, say you make something that's

really popular.

And if you make something that's really popular, you get a lot of traffic.

And if you

get a lot of traffic, that takes a lot of bandwidth, that takes a lot of resources.

And as it

gets more and more popular, the bandwidth requirements, the costs of operating that, go up and

up and up and up.

And so as, you try to make a Facebook essentially or a MySpace.

MySpace is probably

closer to what I'm thinking about here.

But anything like that, if you're building a small version

of it, it's not that big of a deal.

You can totally do it.

And you can even like, it's hard

to build things that are scalable, but it's not that hard.

It's stuff that is well understood.

It's stuff that, you know, especially if you have people who are experts at it, you could figure it

out.

So you could build stuff that can scale.

The problem is the cost of its scaling.

And if you

start getting to the scale of like a Facebook, that's literally hundreds of millions, billions of

dollars a year, just in operations.

Just in the stuff to host that shit is very, very expensive.

And this means that somehow you have to pay for it.

And if you're paying for it, well,

there are a lot of options.

There are a couple of things you could do.

One is you get people to pay.

And the individual, like the the cost of hosting Facebook, per Facebook user or Twitter or whatever,

not that expensive, you know, it's like low single digit dollars per month.

If even that,

order of that.

So in principle, you could probably get people to pay that.

But the problem is,

you've established, you've grown based on doing something for free.

And there's a thing where people,

like if they get something for free, and all of a sudden, you start charging for it, they're not too

excited about it.

They're not, they're not really happy about that, generally speaking.

And so you have this issue that people don't really want to pay for it.

And somehow you have to make

money.

And of course, somehow, because you live in this society that we have, you probably want to

make a lot of money.

You probably don't want to just have the team that is because you could develop

something like Facebook with tens of people, hundreds of people, maybe even thousands of people,

even for global scale.

You need a lot, like for moderation and things like this.

You probably need a

lot of people.

But to do this software development, to do like just managing stuff and making things

work, you don't need that many, that many people.

It's something like that kind of thing is a low fixed

cost.

And the operations are a growing cost that scale with the number of users.

Maybe even scale

worse than the number of users, because it's not just the number of people, it's the number of

connections that you have that you have that you have to deal with.

And so each person you add to

the network, you're kind of getting some kind of a, at least the quadratic sort of thing if not worse.

But you can kind of think, like as you get more and more users, it gets more and more expensive.

And however it does it, whether it's linear or not, it's not great.

Even if it's logarithmic,

it's not great.

But especially if it's not.

So anyway, it's more and more expensive.

How do you pay for

that? But there are a couple of options that people always land on.

One of them is ads,

and ads are fucking terrible.

I think ads are one of the bans of modern society.

And also,

I watch a lot of YouTube, and I'm probably, I probably should stop it because I can't fucking

stand it.

And I look at the stuff that I watch, the stuff that I want to watch and that I continue to watch,

I have maybe a dozen people that I follow, like Blondie Hacks, this old Tony,

trying to think of Blanco-Lario, Blondie Hacks again.

I came back to her.

I didn't need to do it twice,

but you know, she popped in there.

EEV blog.

Yeah, there, I can't think of his name, federal,

the guy who does all of the.

There are a number of people like this that I watch, and I enjoy

their stuff, and I find it useful and interesting.

But I don't want to watch just random shit from random people.

And most of it's serenotics, she's great.

Most of it, Anne and Reburn.

I love her.

She's great.

But most of the stuff on here that it's filling it, is just this AI-slop crap.

Now,

an audible air quotes AI, I should, you know, I don't like that people call it AI, but never mind that now.

It's just garbage.

It's just fucking garbage.

And it's just like this thing that they keep

expanding.

University day, Fraser King.

He's great.

I like it.

But it's just more and more garbage.

And it's the thing that, you know, and then you watch stuff, and you get your options,

if you're a consumer, or to pay for the premium, which in principle, I kind of like I paid for premium

for a long time.

It's not that much a month.

I think like half of what you're paying is going to the

people that are making stuff.

I wish it was more, but yeah, that half is not bad.

And I felt good about

it.

But then Facebook or Facebook, then YouTube started doing this shit where instead of showing

me this stuff from the people that I was following, they kept mixing shit in there.

They did,

actually, I mean, mixing stuff and wouldn't be so bad, but they're not showing me stuff

from the people that I'm following.

Like I had to go to people's pages to see when they put new stuff

up.

And this happened for a long time.

And it got so annoying to me that I stopped paying for

and also like I lost my job and things got paying for premium became, it went from being like a

no brainer like we in this lock to like, oh shit, that's a lot of money.

I don't really want to

be spending that much amount.

And so I go back and I get the ads.

And the ads on there are so

fucking horrible.

Like I don't think that they're selling anything.

I don't think, I really

increasingly think that modern ads are a scam that are being run against, yeah, it's like layers of

scam that are being run against the people who are doing the advertisements.

So there's a agency that's

taking money, that the people that are making the thing that producing the ads, they're taking money

from people.

There are a lot of people like the network, YouTube, whoever.

They're taking money

from people.

They're pushing the stuff out.

And they don't really give a shit, who sees it?

I mean, this is one of the things that's striking that like I'll get ads for shit that I'm never

ever, ever, ever, ever going to buy.

Or I wouldn't even consider.

I mean, if I see the ad, I'm not going

to buy it anyway.

But even without seeing the ad, it's not a thing that I would consider buying.

Yeah, it's fucking horrible.

And I think part of this also is they deliberately, you know,

in addition to all those scams, they deliberately want to show you stuff that's annoying

so that you'll get the premium.

Because the premium, if you look at the recurring revenue,

the ad revenue per user, Arbu, from those ads, it's actually smaller than what you get from having

somebody on premium.

So they want you to be on premium.

They're incentivized to get you to not see

the fucking ads, which is probably not a great situation if you're one of the people doing

the ad, like you're paying them to do ads.

Probably not great.

So anyway, they do this.

And it sucks.

It's terrible.

And so your options are, again, ads get people to pay, or I guess you can sell

user data somehow, or manipulate people for money.

That's the sorts of things you can do.

None of them are good.

None of them are things that I think anyone should be subjected to.

So the thing that occurs to me, or I'm sure a lot of people have had this realization,

but something that I've been working on.

Individually, if you want to have a website,

most people are not really getting a lot of traffic.

Most people have a website up and you might,

you want it to be there.

You want it to be able to, like somebody goes to it, they can see stuff,

but they're probably not, you're probably not getting tens of people watching it.

You're probably

not getting hundreds of thousands of concurrent users for sure for most things.

You're not getting that much.

So you get a lot of excess capacity with your website, even if you're paying for it.

And then

you have other people who are putting up stuff like freezer came, and they're getting a lot of

stuff where it's kind of very expensive.

And if their thing gets super popular, then you're paying

a lot more.

If you're building something that's a Facebook competitor, you're paying an intractable

amount of money.

And so the thing that I was thinking and kind of seems to me like an obvious thing

is that what you should do is build sort of a peer-to-peer network that essentially does the

stuff that AWS does, but in a way that it's kind of abstracted away from any of these particular

providers.

And if you do that, you can get the hosting, both for data and for communications and

all this kind of stuff.

And you can share it between people.

Think about that share it between people.

And so this idea is basically you build this infrastructure.

And this infrastructure is such that

I can have a managed version that I'm running for people.

Somebody also, if they want, they could

start a business that's just doing management for these kinds of things.

It's going to be open-source

and they could be in the same network.

Or people, if you want, you can have your own fucking

thing and you just pay for it.

You could just host it wherever.

You could, you know, if you

went a monkey with it, you could do that.

And all of these things, you have a couple of problems.

So you don't want to just host everything.

I don't think that's a good thing.

And I don't think

you, you don't want to platform Nazis.

You don't want to build the Nazi bar.

So one of the things that

I think is very important here is to have a sort of explicit social contract.

I've had a lot

about moderation for a long time.

And I get really annoyed with the way that most people implement it.

I think the reason that it sucks in most cases is a lot to do with the, basically, people don't

really, I mean, if this is just my general problem with the way education is today, but education

has become vocational training.

And when I say that, I mean, even like PhD level education,

but especially, if you're just doing undergrad, people go to business school, they never take

a fucking ethics course.

They never take a philosophy course.

They never take an art course.

They never take art appreciation or anything.

And so they don't appreciate this stuff.

And so you

get people at the same with computer programming.

They never take a fucking ethics course.

They're,

they're going to see us degree.

Never take it in a fucking ethics course.

Never have taken

philosophy of law or justice.

And so you have a bunch of people with business degrees, these finance

bros, and tech bros who don't know anything about justice.

They don't know why it's important

to have transparency.

Why it's important to have due process.

They don't know why it's important

to actually be able to muster a defense for yourself, or to be able to face your accuser,

or any of the other things that we just, you know, are just kind of general principles.

And they also don't understand things like having a social contract.

And the social contract to me

is sort of, I don't know, I used to think a lot about this idea of the paradox of tolerance,

or quote, it's paradox of tolerance.

And it seems like a thing where it's like, it's kind of hard

to square.

There's a reason it's got paradox in the name.

But the idea is basically that if you

have a free and open society, then fascists will take advantage of that free and open society.

And do the things that end up pushing basically what we got today, which is fascism,

and that ends the freeness and the openness of society.

And to see you think about it,

you're like, how do you, how do you square these things? Because I used to, I used to listen to

the people who told me, well, it's got, it's very important.

I remember this as a kid, because even

as a kid, it was like, that seems fucked up to the ACLU is defending Nazi parades and things like this.

And I hadn't people tell me, like, Scott, you know, Scott, poor, simple, young,

do-ey-eyed, Scott.

What you have to understand is that it's very important that we protect the

freedom of speech for the worst speech, because that's where it starts getting eroded.

And the problem with this idea, and I actually bought it into it for a while, I was at one point

briefly, kind of kind of free speech absolutist.

It thought I really started thinking about it.

When you think about it in that way, it sort of makes sense, right? This is one of the things where

the frame that you're operating within, really dictates the, just ideas that are available to you.

Because if that's the frame that you're working in, it does sound like, yeah, okay, we can't

we have to protect everybody's freedom of speech, because if you infringe on anyone's, then you're

opening the door to infringe on everybody's.

And it sounds actually like it makes sense, right?

But the problem is, that's the wrong frame.

And I'm not saying this is the right frame,

but this is a better frame.

If you imagine that we have a social contract.

And that social contract is if you do certain things, if you, you know, it's a contract that

has like consideration and you give something and you get something.

So if you participate in society

and you don't undermine things and you're not attacking people and being horrible, then you get

freedom of speech.

And when you start thinking about it in these terms, it's no longer a paradox.

It's no longer, because the people who are to tell a terrarians, the people who are fascists,

they are fundamentally violating that social contract.

And so, if you think about it that way,

to me, it's quite simple.

This is a thing that I think needs to be, I could go into that

more later on.

But I think, yeah, already do our already an hour.

And so, I'm going to try to

close this up pretty soon.

That sort of social contract and explicit social contract can be a thing

that you set up in here.

And you can sit there and go, okay, well, if you agree to the social

contract and you can set up how you decide that and all of this, there are a couple of ways you

could do it.

I've thought a lot about different ways to do it, but one of the easiest ones is just

I have my resources and everybody kind of has their own resources.

And you can decide whether or not

you want to syndicate people.

And you can do that either by explicitly letting them in or letting them out,

or you could decide to trust somebody else's judgment for it, or you could have something where

they kind of agree to it.

And then you have some kind of a judicial system that determines

whether or not they're violating it.

There are lots of different ways you could do it.

And I think

it's important to build all of these for some extent and have it sort of set up so that it

works and people have some options.

But you have this social contract and if people are in whatever

way you think is right, satisfying it, you can share your resources with them.

And like if somebody's

not shitting in the water, why not let them have some of your extra grapefruit? You got way more

grapefruit than you need, probably.

And unless you're maybe somebody who has a restaurant and

you're just, you need more grapefruit than you have.

So you need the grapefruit from somebody else,

but other people have extra grapefruit they can share with you.

So having this kind of a system,

I think is a good way to do this.

And you do this and individually, you could have something where

individually, like again, the costs of running these big systems per person is not that great.

And especially, it gets worse because people run big algorithms and they do a bunch of

ad stuff and they do all kinds of stuff that is very computationally expensive, very storage

expensive, very network intensive.

And those kinds of things cost a lot more to run.

And so

if you don't do that stuff, which is almost all annoying and horrible, it actually is pretty cheap

per person to host a lot of stuff and to store a lot of stuff.

And when you think about that,

if you imagine that some people who can afford to pay a little bit more for more than they need,

and people who can't afford to, especially if they just want to have a page that doesn't have

a lot of traffic, and they're not doing stuff that's horrible, maybe they get pre-hosting.

And so you kind of have this thing where people are working together and essentially have a gift

economy and are able to not use too much of a metaphor, or to not steal too much into this,

but you plant your sweet grass and you're not necessarily the one using it, but you're benefiting

yourself and everybody else by doing it.

And because we have this network going together

and you have this ability to sort of build your own pretty nice, my space-ish page,

where you control the data, and if you want to, you can just host this yourself.

You could

be completely disconnected from everybody else and you have your own thing, or you can participate

in it, and you share it with people.

And you could also have something where, like, if you have

you add stuff to it, it's in a feed, and you imagine that that feed that could be your stuff,

but you could also say, oh, I like this network from, per this is this page from somebody else,

I can add that to my thing, and when I add it to my thing, other people can see it in their

feed, and they can sort of, you know, do stuff with it.

And as you're doing that,

you're expanding copies of that stuff.

You're doing stuff like hosting more of it.

So the more

demander is for something, the more popular something is you end up having more resources going into it.

And the more people look at something, the more copies of it are out there, which means also,

and this is a massive problem that we have now.

Instead of having websites that go away,

that just go dark because people can't pay for them forever, you have copies of stuff out in the

ether, and those are just preserved.

And you have this way to, like, if suddenly something from

20 years ago gets popular, people start looking at it, they start replicating it more, and it

becomes more represented.

And if it doesn't get popular, at least there's an archive or two,

or 10 out there.

Especially if it's just text, I mean, if it's just text, it takes a, like,

a lot of text does take up a lot of space.

Like Wikipedia is a lot of text.

If you download Wikipedia,

it is a lot of data.

But individual pages on Wikipedia, not that much.

And the amount that you

individually are generating, not that much.

As you imagine, like Wikipedia, for example,

if everybody kind of hosted their own Wikipedia pages, and then every time you go to a Wikipedia page,

now you have a copy of it that you're hosting for other people, you start thinking about it,

and that actually, you know, the thing that I originally wanted to do on this, which is annoyingly

very difficult to do the way the internet is structured, is basically like you imagine

everybody has their own browser.

This is the right way to do it to be honest, but you can't

really do it this way.

So the waste wheat grass works, at least now, isn't like this.

The waste wheat

grass works now is basically the servers are their own sort of thing.

And those are peer-to-peer,

and those are doing the hosting and all this kind of stuff.

But the right way to do it is that

the people who are using the network, all are hosting it.

If you open it for your Wikipedia page,

and now you have a copy of that.

And if somebody browsers that Wikipedia page, you're serving it,

and that means you're following his serving stuff when you're using it, and you have this

network that just becomes more and more powerful as more and more people are using it.

And if you do

it that way, incidentally, you could do it essentially for free, because the phone has access

processing power, it has access to networking.

And again, it's not like if you're doing massive

amounts of load on your phone, that's not going to work.

But if you are serving two times,

three times the number of pages that you're reading, that's pretty doable.

And you could do this.

Again, annoyingly to do this, there are technical reasons why you can't do it just like that.

What you can't do is kind of like that, and you store the stuff in the phones.

This is down the

road, do that, and then you can have reflectors.

So you have something that is outside of the local

network, your phone connects to that, and then somebody else connects to your phone via that.

You can tunnel through this, and you can do, you can make things like this work, but you still need

stuff outside of NATs, and I don't want to get into the technical details, but you can make

it work, or you could do something where eventually you have a better network.

And every device

has its own IPv6 address, its own way to talk to each other.

And you just directly talk to them.

If you could do that and have a direct peer-to-peer network, that would be the right way to do it.

Because then everybody has their own fucking phone.

And if you imagine, you're watching a video

on TikTok, and while you're watching that, you're sharing it to two other people.

I mean,

this is basically like a bit torn, kind of idea.

If you're doing it that way, it just works.

And it also, if you had something like that, you wouldn't need, in principle, you wouldn't

even need to have explicit servers.

Now it's not the most efficient way to do it, it's not

the greatest way to have an uptime and all this kind of stuff.

It gets complicated.

You have

to figure things out, but you can do a lot with that.

And you probably wouldn't end up doing

it if you imagine that you're building the network from scratch.

This is actually one of

these things that I think I will talk more about sweet cracks in the future, because I think I'm

not doing a great justice of how this is going to work.

But this is a thing that I think I've been

working on for a while, and I'm getting the point where I will have something pretty soon

that I'm going to start having people get on.

You can go to sweetcrust.

online and see

something posted there.

You can also see my page, um, sminord.

phd, uh, hosted on this stuff already.

And these are static pages, deliberately static pages, deliberately very low server

you, or server work, you know, little, I'm getting tired.

I'm sorry.

They're very little

server-load to process them.

They could just be cashed and, you know, they're pretty easy to

say.

It needs things to share.

Um, so they don't really cost that much per viewer.

And if you

imagine, you did this right, and you try to keep mostly static stuff and keep the stuff that

is live, um, yeah, you have, like, a live direct connection for processing stuff.

If you do it that way,

you can make stuff that is very, uh, eight years of word scalable, but it's basically very

scalable for a very small, uh, monthly cost.

You can host a lot of shit and have a lot of people

using it.

And the more people that are hosting stuff, the more people that are paying for their stuff,

and especially the more people that are paying more than they need, the more capable the network

is, the more ability you have.

And eventually, like the initial, the way that I see this initially,

you start working on static pages, my space kind of stuff.

Um, and that my space could have music

or could have videos.

But it's sort of, like, you know, you have your own web page, everybody has

their own web page.

You can make stuff, and it goes into your feed.

And that's how it's kind of

how people use it at first.

But then you imagine you do the same thing, and you could start doing

some processing on, on these nodes.

And inside of these nodes, you can, of course, it's very

important to have that social contract and have some kind of way of auditing it and way of making

sure people are not using processing for bad stuff.

But you can, or stuff that you don't like,

you know, if you're into using something terrible with it, uh, I guess you could do it,

but the way that I would see the network is most people don't do that.

And so you have some

processing that is in, like, database storage, massive distributed databases and this kind of stuff.

You could also have streaming.

Uh, and in fact, streaming could mean like live streams.

So you have

massive file storage for, for videos.

And you could have transcoding of those videos.

And you can have

stuff where you're hosting like live direct connections over the internet over a sweet press.

And you imagine that, you start getting to the point where, you know, it's not just that you

have this infrastructure that can do a social network, like do a my space or a Facebook or a Twitter,

but you start having stuff where you could do a YouTube.

You could do TikTok.

You could have

all that kind of stuff that's owned cooperatively by people.

This is a thing that you know, I should

say.

Uh, this is a organization, which, it's, it's currently registered as a California

public benefit nonprofit.

And the idea, the co-op, the idea is basically that everyone who uses it

is an equal member.

And the governance, still working on it, it's not like fully written down

and ironed out.

But the way that I imagine the governance going is basically, there's going to be

an opt-in certification system.

So, certification is, uh, essentially, uh, vote by lottery.

So the way that you pick the people that are running stuff is if you want to, to be running stuff,

if you want to be in a position where you're doing stuff, you can choose to be in the pool

and the just randomly by chance gets selected.

You can also do a lot of stuff that's had

hawk.

So like if you see something, it's all open source, um, and MIT license.

So if you see

something that's not there that you want to build, you can build it and release it back to,

do the network.

You could do a lot.

I just, I think this is a better way to run things.

There are a lot of reasons why I like certification.

This is another thing I need to talk about,

um, probably make it an episode on it.

But I keep looking at, like, Gavin Newsom,

Hen's booty-jage.

They're just all these fucking assholes.

Terrible fucking people.

Even

even Obama.

You know, Obama, I used to love.

I used to think this guy was the fucking shit, right?

He sounds like a professor.

He has this tone and cadence.

He's super cool.

He looks cool.

Looks good.

He looks cool.

Uh, and, you know, you're just like, yes, yes.

Uh, you hear that shit.

You know, like, yeah.

And I know a lot of people that miss that, but then you realize, oh,

he's blowing up a fucking wedding.

You know, he's drowning kids.

He's, uh, starting the family

separations and detentions and all this kind of stuff.

Pretty fucking terrible guy.

Honestly,

he's a war criminal.

Um, and he's also not only a war criminal himself, he's a guy who let

W and his fucking administration off without consequences.

He's a war criminal who backed up war criminals.

So pretty, I'm not a fan.

Let's just say.

I'm not a fan of his anymore.

I used to be.

And, you know, this is a problem because the people who want to be people who are like

standing up and they want to be running things are almost exactly the people who should not be

running shit.

The people who want to be in charge are the people who should not be in charge of almost any

organization, almost all of the time.

Um, but also you get that side of it.

And then you have this

other side, which is people's judgment of like who they think is cool and who they think, like what they

think is interesting.

What they think is the thing, you know, whether it's Joe Rogan or, um, I mean,

I don't know, you think about this.

The people who are talking about a subject.

If there,

if there's somebody who knows nothing, but they sound really interesting about it.

They sound like

they know stuff or they sound like they're thinking deeply about it.

Even if they're not,

people are attracted to that.

People, if if somebody has riz, if somebody is just like they,

they seem like a cool guy.

Um, that's the kind of stuff that tracks for people.

If somebody,

and this is, I obviously get bothered by this because I don't want to say, like,

whatever it is that Trump has for people is something good in any way.

But whatever it is,

there are people that really like them.

And I think it's pathological.

I think there are a lot

of problems with it.

There are people that like them.

There are people that like Gavin Newsom.

These are people like I see Gavin Newsom or Trump or Buttigieg or, you know, like most of these

fucking people.

I see them and they give me the fucking willies.

They seem gross.

They're off putting,

like physically, I know there's something wrong with this.

I know like I see a Gavin Newsom talking

I don't have this for Obama.

I certainly not, but I see Gavin Newsom.

And this guy is like,

you know, how would anyone fall for this? He's like such a fake asshole.

He's the guy who's on

one of these commercials where you look at him and you're like, how is a human being that fake?

How is a human being that just not real? How is a human being this disgusting?

That as you see that and you're like, why does anyone fall for this shit? I don't understand.

I do not understand.

I don't really want to understand either.

But I think the problem here,

there, it doesn't even matter how people fall for it.

Whatever it is,

whatever that is that people's judgment is that bad.

The idea also that people keep voting the

same people.

Because I know a lot of people that talk about like term moments and all this kind of stuff.

Term moments would be nice.

Although it's kind of hard that the people that need the term

or the people that put the term moments in and the people who need those term limits are also

the people who are massively disincentivized from putting them in.

So good luck.

But term moments are also

unnecessary.

Like, you could just, the correct way to vote is by default.

If you recognize the name

of somebody, unless you have a really good reason to vote for them.

Again, that good reason is not,

oh, I really like, you know, even if it's like a burning, even if it's somebody, you're like,

I really like burning.

Just because you recognize the name, unless you have a specific,

very good reason for voting for them.

You should vote against them.

You should vote for somebody else.

You should absolutely, I mean, I like it.

Look at this main Nazi guy.

I don't even want to talk

too much about this guy, but this is another fucker in Maine who has the Nazi skull tattoo.

For 20 years, it claims not to have known what it was, although there's documentation that he did.

But, you know, it, like, and also due to who obviously life's going short was,

nobody asked him about that for 20 fucking years.

No, but he, like, I mean, it's just not plausible.

It's not credible.

You have this thing.

It's just ridiculous.

Like, I, and I understand there are

people that just get flash, and they don't think that much about it, because it's not that big of a deal.

But, I think, you know, I think you fucking know.

Also, same guy, he had, you know, it's not like

he was some poor kid who the military recruiters got to, and I'm like, you know, I don't,

you don't have any real options that the military is going to be good for you.

And then you get

in, and it turns out to be shitty, and you do one term, one rotation, and then you, you get the

fucker up.

Now, this is a guy who got in, and he's a guy who, he's a guy who went the,

probably, I mean, my brain is starting to decompose right now.

I need to eat.

I mean, I'm going to

close up, but this guy went to private school, expensive private schools are good.

He could have

very easily gone to an expensive college.

I didn't need to go into the military.

Choose as to

go into the military.

Does a tour? Does another tour? Does another tour? Does another tour?

serves at Abu, serves giant air quotes, at Abu Grib, you know, like, which is, again, not the

get into the, the W and Obama thing, you know, like, it's, it's more crime-central there.

And then

after all of that stuff, goes into fucking blackwater, and is in blackwater not like 20 years ago,

but I think it was 2018.

Like, this is not a good guy.

That's disqualified.

I'm sorry,

that's fucking disqualified.

You look at, I, I mean, did it, I guess they did make one of these,

they're the last one that I made.

Was, something like 0.

00003% there's something like that.

I don't

remember the exact number, but it's the fraction of people in the US who get to be in the

Senate.

And again, it's like a hundred people out of 342 million people get to be in the Senate.

And you could go, okay, well, not all of those 342 million people are eligible.

You have to consider

the age requirement, and then you have to consider, they have to be narrowed down a little bit,

still 200 million people, a couple hundred million people could be in the Senate.

And you're saying

that one guy, one piece of shit.

Now, you don't, you can be a little bit fucking selective.

You

could be also also, and this one just blows my fucking mind, you can't collect a signature

in Maine until January.

You can't collect a fucking signature to get ballot access to run in the

primary, which is not until June or something, or July.

I think it was June.

You can't get in the

prime.

You can't get the signatures, and they'll fucking January.

Pick another guy, pick another

fucking guy.

And people talk about, like, oh, no, he's the only one.

It could only be him.

Fuck you.

Fuck you.

You have a Nazi tattoo.

Either you didn't know about it, and you didn't

have any curiosity about it, and didn't care about it until recently.

I think you cover it up with

something that I think is, it's hard not to interpret as another dog whistle.

And if it's not a dog

whistle, it's one of these things like, you know, like, I don't know.

I think he's playing in your face.

I think he's literally laughing at you, going, haha, fuck you.

I'm going to get a dog whistle.

And this is the whole point of a dog whistle is that it's plausibly deniable.

So, you know, he's

got something that you look at it, and you're like, that's a fucking dog whistle.

That is a neo-Nazi dog

whistle.

So, you went from super overtly Nazi thing.

And again, also, like, I just got a picture

about this a little bit more, I'm sorry.

But this motherfucker, you know, people were like, oh,

he didn't know he didn't.

And people asked me, like, how did you know? How did you know, Scott?

I'm not a, I'm not particularly, it's not my special interest.

I don't, you know, I'm not a fan of

Nazis, but, you know, what? I've seen Shembers list.

I've seen Raiders of the Lost Ark.

I've seen,

what is it called? In Gloria's Bastards.

I've seen that one with Tom Cruise,

thealkery.

I've seen all these, you know, I've seen the fucking thing.

Are we the baddies, right?

Michelin Webb, are we the baddies? They're literally talking about exactly this tattoo.

Exactly

this symbol.

I've seen, like, it's, it's sort of, of the, maybe it's not as well known as a

spastica, but it's pretty fucking close.

It's pretty fucking close.

I didn't know where I first saw it,

because I've seen it so many fucking times.

I know I've seen it in Holocaust museums.

I know that I've

seen it in books and things about this kind of stuff.

I know that I've seen it in old pictures and

shit.

Like, it's not a thing that is some obscure symbol that you have to be, like, deeply,

it's not even, like, a 1919 kind of thing, which incidentally this guy has in his arm.

19 19th letter of the alphabet means S, and he's got an explanation for it.

Yeah, and in the explanation,

if it was, like, just the 1919 tattoo, and you're like, well, it was the year that the thing was founded,

and you actually look, he dig into the explanation, and it's like, it's not actually the right

year that the thing was founded, the little suspect, little suspect.

But, you know, if it was just that,

then you're like, okay, maybe, but you have that, and then you have the fucking Totencom

for whatever the fuck it's called, the skull thing, and then you have the thing that he covered

it up with, which is also really, really, really looking to me, like a dog whistle.

And this is,

this is like, okay, let's pretend, let's pretend that it's not a dog whistle.

Let's pretend that,

you know, it's just, he wanted to have this thing that happens to be something that is really similar

to a lot of stuff that white nationalists and Nazis really like and are really interested in

and that where, as a dog whistle, just happens to be.

If you're coming from like the Nazi tattoo,

I think when you're covering it up, and you're trying to run for Senate, when you're covering it up,

you probably run it by a few people, and you say, like, is the thing that I'm going to get at least,

like, is it kosher? Is it something that, you know, like, there's no question about, like,

and you pick something like that.

You know, it's a ridiculous thing, but to me, that's just the basic,

basic thing that you do.

That is like the minimal sort of, as diligence.

And the fact that he can't

do that, like the best case scenario, the best interpretation, is it's just an accident that he happened

to pick another dog whistle, and he's got a dog whistle on his arm, and he takes a dog whistle to

cover up, is I'm going to be going to call the the skull and the dog whistle.

It's a fucking

overt thing.

No, I mean, the best case scenario is this guy is too incompetent and too careless

to be a fucking senator.

Not everybody needs to be a goddamn senator.

There are things like, if you

ever have any kind of an Nazi tattoo, I think that this qualifies you.

Hard stop.

You're okay,

Scott, you're going to miss, you're going to get some people who, fuck you, who gives a shit.

We have

the ability to be picky.

We should be picky.

How do you, you go to, like, states, I looked at this,

because it was bothering me.

If you look at the state that has the fewest number of registered

Democrats, there are still tens of thousands of people who could be a senator.

And Maine, it's like

100,000 people, could be a senator, could be a senator, could be a Democratic senator.

It might

even even even been 200,000.

I don't remember the exact number.

It was at least 100,000.

I think

it might be 200,000, but whatever it was, it's a lot of fucking people.

You could find somebody in that

group who doesn't have a Nazi tattoo, never had a Nazi tattoo, wasn't a fucking blackwater

mercenary who, you know, I mean, this is not like me being picky and I have to, it's got to be

like a supermodel with a PhD and all of this kind of, you know, this is like a minimal fucking shit.

You know, it's like that I feel like I'm losing my mind that people are making an argument for this.

And then you got people like fucking Jacob and Jacob and whatever the fuck the thing is defending this shit.

Fuck you, there are other people, there are other fucking people, take somebody, find somebody,

it shouldn't be that hard.

And in fact, you more than anyone are in a position to start a

fucking recruitment drive.

And in fact, what you should also do is go mother fucker, we didn't know

what you should have done some diligence before this.

This is how you get, by the way,

deadbeat dead cinema, fucking guy ego, it gets all that anti-centromo money, which I don't even

want to get into that, but it irritates the shit out of me.

This guy's a piece of shit and he's

a senator now and then you have space cinema, who's also a piece of shit, who's a senator now.

And like you look at the Senate and it's just, and all of this stuff fundamentally comes down to

people are going by popularity and they're also going by this weird parasoical thing where

people seem to think there's only one guy who can be a the Senate, which is just so ridiculous.

And so because of this stuff, you end up with the worst fucking people in the world.

And you end up with

people picking the worst fucking people in the world over and over again, even after like their

Diane Feinstein, and they don't know where the fuck they are.

Like there, there are videos of her

when she was not even in her last term, I don't think.

She didn't know where the fuck she was.

She didn't know what Europe was.

She didn't know what was going on.

And you keep having her be a fucking

senator and she's not alone.

There's somebody else now who's about 80 something.

I can't remember

her name.

But she's also very clearly got dementia.

She got scammed by some guy for, and then

you do not need these people to be the fucking senators.

People explicitly should not be

reelected by default.

And if they do get reelected, it's like, okay, you did amazing last time.

You did something fucking fantastic.

You need to continue it.

Well, give you one more term,

and that'll be it.

But it shouldn't be like you have a career in this seat.

You shouldn't have,

nobody should have a career in this seat.

It should be something also, well, I've got a lot of thoughts

on this.

I will get back to it later on.

But the thing about sweet grass in the way that I want

this governed is basically people can join or leave at will, first of all.

You can decide,

this is the thing about a social contract.

Like I don't, I didn't sign up to be an American

citizen.

I didn't sign up to be a museum person.

I definitely don't support spending hundreds of

billions of dollars a year on fucking cops.

I never, I never agreed to that.

I never fucking agreed

to that.

I don't agree to that.

I do not consent at all.

I didn't sign up to give a trillion

dollars a year or more to the military industrial complex and for building bombs and fighter jets

and doing all kinds of stuff.

That's an ecological catastrophe and destabilizing countries all

over the world.

Like you look at the number of countries that were some some demigratically elected

the government was overthrown by a military fascist coup and that coup was sponsored by supported

by basically a proxy for the CIA for our country for this country.

It's ridiculous.

It's fucking

ridiculous and making the world worse.

You look right now at all these genocides going on and a lot

of them probably all of them.

I think you could probably say pretty safely all of them at some level

are coming from U.

S.

to Germany and from this country.

I didn't sign up for that.

I don't support that.

I don't like the idea.

I don't want billions and billions of dollars going to blow people up

in other countries.

I don't like that.

I don't consent.

I don't fucking consent.

So I think you should be

able to leave.

You should be able to my mom and sister just landed in Hawaii.

I think you should

be able to.

So I just said a little hot.

I actually landed in a quietie.

I should say.

I should talk about that a little bit.

I have very mixed feelings about going there.

I live

in Ernawau for a while and I wouldn't do it now probably.

I guess if there was a local who

invited me and we were really careful not to fuck things up maybe but I feel like I know enough

people that don't want howlies like me there.

I just had a respect I would go.

And I understand

it's a really nice place but the problem is it's a nice place and you think about the Hawaiians

and the locals there.

They can't live there.

So many of Hawaiians have been pushed out into

California and Oregon and Arizona in other places because it's fucking expensive there because

other people like unfortunately mostly look like me have gone in and they've driven the prices

up to the point where they just they can't they can't they can't exist there.

It's fucking horrible.

And it's just I don't know.

Anyway, I don't begrudge people from going necessarily but I do

I think it's complicated and I wish people would at least put more consideration into it and I know

also like I talked to my mom about this and the thing that she always says is like the people

the people there are really appreciate well the people there that you're talking to or the ones

that are working for or their jobs depend on you.

They probably don't probably would or

rather be doing something else I would assume but also they're not the people that are they're

not the native Hawaiians who are getting or are people who have native ancestry who are now

living in fucking Oregon because they can't afford to live at home.

They're fucking island

they can't they can't afford to live there.

I don't think those people necessarily want you there.

I don't think they appreciate it.

I think you know and I think also like even if

again like it's nice to be someplace like that the people that end up being there are an ecological

catastrophe they're making things terrible for a lot of people.

They're like building you know

tearing stuff down and destroying ancient stuff and just taking over places and making

places that people used to just go inaccessible taking over beaches and shit.

It's not good it's not

good.

It's just yeah anyway coming back I don't want to talk too much about that because it's annoying

but coming back the sort of thing this will be the end cap.

I think the thing to do for running

stuff again ad hoc at will you can join you can agree or you can leave at will you can

change the agreement if you don't agree to you like you formally agreed to a term and now you

thought about it and you don't agree to it anymore or you want to say like ah there's a better way

you can have people change that and start agreeing to the new one and if you don't agree to the new one

then you don't get to participate in the network and if you agree to a certain set of terms like

some of them are mandatory and some of them are nice and the ones that you just said are mandatory

like for example I'm not going to host a fucking Nazi no Nazis get the the share my resources

that seems like a fucking no-brainer right so you can have that kind of stuff and that is the

organization with this sortition some form of sortition that will come from in the next thing

about sortition the thing that I like about it for governance is especially and I'm not

specifically talking about sweet grass here but the thing I like about it for like running instead

of a Senate having like a house and that the house also I'm actually going to talk like for a

couple more minutes about this and I'm going to end because I do need to eat but the thing that I think

you should have for governance this is not about my little project here but if you were making a

country if you're making an organization again you should be able to it should be free to join

like anyone that wants to can be part of it and if you don't want to be you can leave at any time

I can't like if you want to no longer be a US citizen it is expensive and hard and takes a long time

it's not really it's an interesting thing for a country that claims to be free if you want to be a US citizen

it's really hard and takes a long time now a lot of people are let in and you know it's that

really exactly freedom in any meaningful way if you are a US citizen you have to agree to a

bunch of shit that you don't have any voice in it's fucked up it's pretty bad I don't like it

I don't agree to it I don't like you should be and I don't think things should be that way I really don't

so you can kind of choose and you can also choose to create like you have a group of people and

they just want to do something together collectively they can choose to work on it and you could choose

not to it's you have autonomy I think autonomy is a really important thing it's it's one of

of the things for me I think about my personal values autonomy is fucking huge the ability to choose

what you're doing and you know which is not to say you don't hold up like obviously you should

live up to your agreements you should obviously if you say you're going to do something

live up to your word and with with exceptions being like you know you said you were going to

you made a commitment that ends up being terrible maybe then you know but if you're commitment

there's like I'm going to work on this project and for this long probably do it it's probably

better to do unless you have an exceptional reason not to but you should have the autonomy to

the change your mind you should have the autonomy this is the thing when I think about like

running companies or like hiring people if you're running a company you kind of have

and you hire somebody you kind of have a gun to their head you really I didn't notice this as

much I always kind of knew it but I really noticed it in my last job because I had medical

things with my eyes that needed to be taken care of and my boss was having me do shit that I

did not like did not want to do you know like it kind of sounds silly but like physically going

into work having to go in during rush hour having to be in the office for 95 and not having

that even count as it just like all these things that are standard things in work that people are

just expected to do you think about it they're all fucked up and the cost of not agreeing to that

the cost of not wanting to not wanting to do those things the cost of you know going like I

I don't think this is right I don't think I should be doing this I don't think anybody should be doing

this is you're not going to have vision I mean I'm not even exaggerating it's like oh you have

a vision thing you need expensive surgery and you need surgery and aftercare and all this kind

of stuff for a while you're just not going to get that you're not going to be able to have it you

oh you don't want to do this stuff that I want you to do in the way that I want you to do it

okay that's fine you you don't get that have housing you don't get the eat you don't get the

think about that think about like in terms of autonomy how fucked up that is that that is the

situation that we have if you decided you don't want to pay taxes because you don't want all your

money going to cops and the military what happens what do you think happens if you don't pay taxes

it's that good it's not good you're going to be a deep shit and you know you think about that that's

not freedom that's not fucking freedom you should be able to go like okay we're together and we're

working together to help people which is which is really fundamentally the reason that you have

society and civilization is so that we can collectively help each other it's it's not really that

complicated we have like we get together as people and there's a lot of stuff that you can do

individually but it turns out when you're a little baby you need help when you're older you need help

if you're sick you need help if you can't work you need help if you're somebody who you know like

maybe something is wrong and you can't physically work or maybe you're just somebody who really

is interested in working on on other stuff that's probably probably to me not a thing that you should

I don't know I mean I mean I would I would even go so far as to say because I think this is

if you or somebody who instead of just play fucking video games all your life and not do anything

productive and you should be able to have housing and you know food and water and education and

health care if you want to be somebody who like I think about like for myself if I could do whatever

the fuck I wanted to do I would just keep going to school I would just keep going and I would study

different things and I would go to medical school I would become a surgeon and then I go to law school

and I'd become a lawyer and I would go to art school and yeah and you think about like how you

can't do that how it's not possible I would learn I would probably become a psychiatrist psychologist

you know they do a little bit of that for a while and then change does something else

if if money is no object and I would work on my own projects I would do all kinds of stuff

I would be extremely like I you know there's this saying like only boring people are boring

but you think about I don't know to me I don't need stuff to entertain me I don't need to have

somebody like force me to do work I will do work I will do a lot of work I will work really

fucking hard I will like on my own love to my own devices I just sit here and like my thing is

I walk I like the walk I like to have coffee and do you know like some things and then I work

and I work on lots of stuff and I would just always do that if I had if I had resources I would

work on more cool stuff if I had more time I work on more cool stuff and some of it might be

actually valuable and help people some of it might actually be good for people because some

of the things I motivated to solve some of the problems that I see are things like I see shit

that my mom struggles with and it's like oh I could actually make something that would help her

and if it would help her I guarantee it would help a lot of other people and you think about that

and you think about like how the same spaces you have a bunch of people who are like oh well I

can make money doing this and they have no interest in doing it well they're just doing it because

they want to make money and so they make shitty stuff that people buy and then this is one of

those things might there's so much fucking crap and you think about like people make all these

products that are just garbage and they make them because they want to make money

map because they were like oh I needed a pressure cooker that's fucking awesome and so you invent

the I can't even think of what the thing is called that that pressure cooker that went out of

business because private equity killed it it's it's it's gonna come to me later as soon as I'm done

what does but you know this kind of stuff you can't do that instead what you do is you cost

optimize everything to garbage and you make garbage products so that you can sell a bunch of

shit that ends up going into a fucking landfill and in the process of making it you pollute and

do all kinds of stuff and you cut a lot of corners and so you're just making a bunch of crap

that ruins the environment wherever you are and fucks things up and then ultimately

doesn't go anywhere doesn't make people happy doesn't you know so it doesn't help people

they don't even enjoy it it's not like a beautiful object that you can just keep around

and then it's waste it's waste waste and waste I'm waste and the energy that going into it is

wasted the amount of time and effort that people spent developing it and manufacturing it and

transporting it and all this stuff just garbage just fucking garbage and it doesn't need to be that way

you think about how much waste there is like that and yeah it again like if you want to build

something that is just garbage that's okay all you shouldn't be building it at sale but you know

if you want to build stuff that I think is kind of wasteful but it's art that's fine you should

have the ability to do that but you shouldn't have a million people building garbage because they

just want to make money to you know it's much better to just have everybody have shelter have food

be comfortable have a freedom to to get education if a freedom the right to grown the right

to roam is I personally think essential then and it goes to autonomy but these kinds of things

are things that we should all have and the right to roam when you think about these if you imagine

that people have the right to roam one of the things that means is you have good public transportation

you have cities that are both walkable and highly accessible you have places where you know like

it's required that if somebody is a wheelchair user they can get around they can get from A to B and

I know a lot of people that talk about like at some point somebody came up with this idea that somehow

public transportation is anti-accessibility or is terrible for people who are in some way disabled

but I think this is a complete bullshit this is something that is like I don't know I think

it is something that somebody came up with who just doesn't it's like a marketing thing against

public transit probably somebody from a car company to be honest came up with this shit

some good so do you think tank there was yeah if you build a walkable accessible city

with good public transit that is highly usable for people and you build like elevators

and you build like ways to get on and off the trains that anyone can use it's good for everybody

it means that if you're a wheelchair user you can get the fuck around much more easily you don't

have to have a special $100,000 car that works for you if you have CP and you build the city

that is is made so that somebody with CP can easily navigate and easily get the fuck around

it's better for you it's not like a it's a disability just a thing and not in the way that like

oh well you shouldn't have walkable accessible cities with good public transit because

and also also like people say this is though like okay if you do have a walkable accessible city

with good public transit and incidentally high speed trains going everywhere and all this kind of

there's other stuff if you do have that and there's somebody that actually physically cannot use it

well all of that stuff all the people being offloaded onto those systems with high frequency

trains and all that kind of stuff that means that there's more room on the road for other people

it need to be on the road the people who absolutely positively can't use those systems and again

you could if you cared and you designed it well and you thought about it you could get 99.

9% of

people able to use them absolutely it's not a that's not a question so it's a it's a

it's a volitional intentional choice not to do that but the people that actually absolutely need to

drive or or something like driving you know have to be driven or whatever it would be easier

for them if almost everybody is on public transit because then the roads are empty then you can

park someplace that's close to you then you can do all this other shit it's just it's it's

such a frustrating thing for me and I it's one of those things also like when you first hear it

you're sort of taking a back by it and you're not that you're like oh shit am I and I the

am I the asphalt here no you're not what you haven't done is thought about it and you haven't

realized oh well actually well actually uh anyway I don't want to I don't want to keep going

on that but the the certification thing I think is important having a thing where you actually

have autonomy I think is important having things where you don't like explicitly do not reward

people who are um you know charismatic but assholes um I think that's important having a system

also where I think this is again if I was making a government um not only a certification but something

like and I don't know what exactly the numbers would be but for some reason about a hundred thousand

people seems to kind of fit in my mind pick at random one person out of a hundred thousand

and of other people that often you don't force people in here that yeah you have to say okay I'm

going to do this I'm willing to do it or or you get picked and then you can you could say okay I'm going

to or no I'll pass and it's an autonomy thing but then you do that and you have if you picked

one out of a hundred thousand people now you have a massive body and you can do you know legislation

based on that and then have I I don't I don't know the details of how this would work and all

this stuff maybe you do proportional representation maybe you do other stuff I feel like you don't

want parties specifically you probably want like this kind of thing you've got a decent sampling of

people and of those people maybe you have some way to pick some leadership which I would personally

also pick by certification and often stuff but you could do you could do like a PM kind of thing

have like a no confidence about in a way to remove people you have something where like oh you

need continuity well yeah you need continuity so you have if you get picked to do this by certification

then you essentially you're there for four years or six years by default and the first three

you're mentored by somebody and the next three you're mentoring somebody or maybe like two years

you get mentored two years you practice and then two years you're mentoring you know you can figure it out

and you could have people who like I don't know I mean if we're going to like really elaborate on

this I would kind of say like the people that are doing this once you get picked it's like winning

the lottery for it first off everybody you're guaranteed just by living in society that you're going

to have healthcare, shelter and food and and not only that but you know like the right to roam

so free transit and the right to roam also means that you get shelter and food and healthcare

and all that stuff wherever you go and also you're able to leave and come into the country

it will and all that kind of stuff I think those are important but then you know if you get picked

into this group you probably you know we're going to take care of everything for the rest of your

life but you're also renouncing material possessions you're yeah I think that would probably be

because what you want to avoid is having something where the people that are in this

have an incentive to be brived you want to make sure like that that should be it should be a very

serious thing that doesn't happen or you have some kind of safeguards against it because you have

such a large population there it helps because it's one thing to bride you know you want to

bribe enough people out of 435 or out of 100 or the state legislature sizes to do stuff that's

that's pretty tractable but when you you start getting like tens of thousands of people it

starts getting to be pretty hard to bribe them that means you can do it but it's very prohibitively

expensive versus as it is now like it's pretty easy to bribe people and you know you have to think

about how to do this make it work but I feel like it's I feel like it's like the right way to go

I really do because you get rid of the problem where you get people selecting for terrible people

and not selecting based on capacity to do the job but based on charisma and other things that

have nothing to do with it or actively are against whatever you're trying to do and you also get rid of

the thing where the people that end up going before these jobs are the worst people and people end up

and you know I know the idea of a career politician like I like specialty I like specializing in things

I like I like people who dedicate their lives to something but when you go through this process

of like getting into the party and we've all in your way in and we've all in your right

cup and just being there and paying your dues and then oh it's your turn now that this is how you get

space cinema this is how you get that beat dance cinema this is how you get the original cinema

incidentally this is how you get Hillary it's her turn this is how you get all this other shit

and you know like you should be able to say like okay Biden it's it's 1988 and he got drummed out

and he is going to be blackballed or that that's right I wonder if it's better to come for that

he's going to be eliminated from contention for ever being in politics again because he he did

something it was horribly unethical and so you know there are a lot of people we don't need to like

again like the Nazi tattoo you don't need to be an office if you have an Nazi tattoo you don't

need to be an office when you cheat on tests you don't need to be an office when you know like if

you're somebody who is known to have done horrible and ethical things I think you can be

eliminated from from contention now maybe obviously of course you need due process you need

you need the ability to muster defense and all of the all the standard theory of justice stuff

but yeah if you are established to have with reasonable certainty have done certain things and in

the case of Biden we just know he's done it it's very clearly in evidence that that's it you're

done if you're Trump you're done you're never never going to fucking run shit and in that it

should be companies as well you shouldn't be running companies couldn't be in any kind of position

of power like again Trump can have a nice life you can you know have shelter in food and health

care and all that kind of stuff should that be running a fucking thing ever should that have

an accumulation of resources ever and yeah it's it's it's an interesting thing about how

fucked up things are the people like this the worst people end up in the positions where they

have the most ability to harm people like of all the people who could be president if you picked

then I think about this is one of the reasons why I like certification if you pick like you look at

any the best senator you look at Bernie like and I'm not saying Bernie is the best but yeah

he's well known you look at what's his name mark mark mark fuck M.

R.

K.

you know why I've got his name I'm terrible with names I can see his face I can almost see his

name and I can't quite spell it but you have these other guys that are like the relative

of the good people who again should that be in the office because they've been you know they've

been there for too fucking long but these people if you picked a random person completely random

person I would bet that that random person would probably be better and certainly when you start

looking at trumps like it you know you could pick 99 out of 100 people and they would be better

than Trump probably 99,99 out of 10,000 probably like 10 million minus one people out of 10

million people like he is an exception of an exception of an exception of horrible and you could pick

by chance and the odds that you would pick one person by chance who's that horrible are exceedingly

slim and then you think about this and you got a bunch of people even if you happen to pick one

bad person by certification you got so many other people that you're you're going to get better

people on average it's just statistically improbable especially when you start building a society

where people are actually studying ethics and starting to really understand and learn things and like

why we do certain things certain ways um it would just it I think it would be better I don't know

I could be wrong but I think it's much better way to do things I hope I hope that we start figuring

shit out too because this is this is not a good or sustainable way of doing stuff I hope that we've

fucking yeah let's let's get the fuck out of here and not not do it like this anymore I think that

I think you can kind of see like this is not working the people who are running shit are not

the people who should be running shit and when I say that I don't just mean the Trumps I mean the

Democrats I don't like the Republicans are fucking horrible the Democrats are fucking horrible and I'm not

equating this to I'm not saying like oh both are the same both are terrible in their own different

ways but both are terrible and again pro wrestling and all this kind of stuff if you if you do this

certification thing having political parties no longer really makes sense now you can have people

organizing around certain things you can have like a green piece or something and they can not necessarily

lobby but they can sort of encourage people to do stuff but you know having stuff where you have

a Democrat or Republican and you have to do all the politicians stuff and run for office and

be slick and be all it all that stuff is terrible and it gets the worst people and it gets the

rewards the people who are really the ones who should last be in the positions that they end up getting

into so I hope I hope you'll I hope you'll I hope sweet grass we'll get to the point where you

could try it and maybe like it and maybe maybe share it with some friends especially the hosted

version if I'm able to like I don't want to make a lot of money with it but I'd like to make enough

that I could live and become terrible and start getting you a better situation for myself and maybe

for other people would be nice and so we'll see with that thank you as always such end

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