In this episode of Swimming Upstream, host and Strategos Partner Tom Luna sits down with Florida Commissioner of Education Manny Diaz Jr. to discuss the state's bold strides in education reform. Recorded at the ExcelinEd conference in Oklahoma City, this conversation highlights Florida’s leadership in school choice, civics education, early literacy, and teacher recruitment.

Commissioner Diaz shares how Florida has expanded school choice options, with over 500,000 students now benefiting from education savings accounts, charter schools, private school scholarships, and hybrid learning models. He explains how Florida’s innovative "a la carte" approach allows families to tailor education to their children’s unique needs, driving a national movement toward greater parental choice.

The discussion also delves into Florida’s comprehensive civics education initiatives, including the Civic Seal of Excellence program and debate championships aimed at preparing students to be informed citizens. Commissioner Diaz emphasizes the importance of early literacy, citing Florida’s investments in progress monitoring and curriculum reforms to ensure students are reading at grade level by third grade.

Addressing the teacher shortage, Diaz outlines Florida’s alternative certification pathways, teacher apprenticeship programs, and professional development investments, all designed to elevate and retain educators. He also highlights Florida’s new transparency initiatives, ensuring parents and taxpayers have full access to classroom materials.

Key Moments

03:35 Homeschooling Challenges and Solutions

07:49 DeSantis Boosts Civics Education Initiatives

11:45 Early Learning Investment Focus

13:55 Florida's Strategy for Teacher Shortage

18:04 Classroom Transparency and Curriculum Shift

21:21 Tallahassee's Origin as Florida's Capital

23:20 Disappointment Over Florida's Capitol Building

Connect with Manny Diaz Jr.

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/manny-diaz-jr-47463b55/

Website: https://www.flbog.edu/

In this episode of Swimming Upstream, host Tom Luna sits down with Kathy Hoffman, former Arizona Superintendent of Public Instruction and a passionate advocate for special education. Now serving as the Executive Director for Innovation and Special Education Initiatives at Arizona State University’s Mary Lou Fulton Teachers College, Kathy is leading Project OASIS—a groundbreaking initiative to rethink and improve special education systems.

Kathy shares her journey from speech-language pathologist to state education leader, explaining how her firsthand experiences in Arizona classrooms shaped her drive for reform. She discusses the challenges facing special education today, including severe teacher shortages, overwhelming administrative burdens, and the need for more inclusive classroom models. Through Project OASIS, she is bringing together educators, researchers, parents, and business leaders to explore innovative strategies that improve outcomes for students with disabilities.

Tom and Kathy also dive into the complexities of special education funding, teacher training, and the need for community collaboration to ensure that every child—regardless of ability—receives the support they need to succeed.

Tune in for an insightful discussion on how reimagining special education can create lasting, positive change for students, teachers, and school systems nationwide.

Key Moments

03:49 Challenges in Special Education Compliance

09:29 Parents' Role in Education Improvement

12:11 Special Ed Challenges in Arizona

14:40 Challenges in Inclusive Education

17:27 Children: 100% of Our Future

Connect with Kathy Hoffman

X: https://x.com/supt_hoffman?lang=en

In this episode of Swimming Upstream, host Tom Luna sits down with Chad Aldis, Vice President of Ohio Policy at the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, to discuss the pressing challenges and opportunities in American education.

Aldis shares his journey from law school to the forefront of education policy, detailing his work in school choice, academic standards, and accountability systems. With experience spanning state legislatures, nonprofit advocacy, and national policy research, Aldis provides a nuanced perspective on what it takes to improve educational outcomes for all students.

The conversation explores the role of rigorous academic standards, the importance of teacher quality, and the evolving landscape of school choice. Aldis highlights how the Fordham Institute has been instrumental in shaping education policy in Ohio while influencing national discussions. He and Luna discuss the critical need for high expectations in schools, the impact of post-pandemic learning gaps—particularly in math—and how accountability measures must prioritize student success over feel-good participation.

They also examine the challenges faced by rural schools and the importance of maintaining educational equity in areas with fewer choices. Wrapping up with a surprising Ohio trivia fact, Aldis and Luna provide a compelling discussion on why education reform is essential for the nation’s future.

Tune in to Swimming Upstream for a thought-provoking conversation that challenges the status quo and advocates for meaningful, student-centered change in education.

Key Moments

04:21 Influence of Ohio's Education Policies

07:01 Boosting Education Through Relevance

12:48 Meaningful Readiness Indicators Needed

15:54 Rural School Challenges and Accountability

17:01 Prioritizing Students and Education Urgency

Connect with Chad Aldis

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chad-aldis-614oh/

Website : https://fordhaminstitute.org/

In this episode of Swimming Upstream, host Tom Luna welcomes Stephen D. Dackin, Director of the Ohio Department of Education and Workforce, for a conversation that dives deep into the evolving role of education in preparing students for life beyond high school.

With over four decades in public education—as a teacher, principal, superintendent, and policymaker—Dackin shares how Ohio is reshaping its entire K–12 ecosystem to meet the urgent demands of today’s economy. From pioneering STEM academies in Reynoldsburg to leading the newly integrated Department of Education and Workforce, Dackin has made a career out of building bridges—between schools and businesses, academics and employability, policy and practice.

This episode explores how Ohio is aligning its education system with workforce realities through community-driven school reform, personalized student pathways, and innovative state-level policy shifts. Dackin breaks down the state’s new governance model, which uniquely merges education and workforce strategy, and discusses why that matters for employers, families, and students alike. Listeners will also hear about Ohio’s innovative graduation pathways, career planning reforms, and a game-changing pilot program that could reimagine the high school experience altogether.

Whether you're a state leader, educator, or community advocate, this episode offers both inspiration and a roadmap for making public education more relevant, responsive, and resilient.

Key Moments

00:00 From Athlete to Educator

03:36 Teacher to Administrator Journey

09:57 Empowering Parental Choice in Education

10:55 "Reynoldsburg Reach Community Engagement"

16:19 Ohio's Business Growth and Workforce Challenge

18:48 Pathways Beyond High School

20:35 Transition Challenges to College Success

25:11 Accountability in Education Readiness Measures

30:28 Ohio Education and Workforce Insights

31:28 "Superman Originated in Cleveland"

35:17 "Community Engagement in School Planning"

38:02 "Children: 100% of Our Future

Connect with Stephen Dackin

Website: https://education.ohio.gov/

In this episode of Swimming Upstream, host Tom Luna sits down with MacKenzie Price, an innovative educator and co-founder of 2hr Learning and Alpha School, who is redefining how we approach K-12 education. MacKenzie shares her journey, from growing up in a small-town school to attending Stanford and ultimately pioneering a model that challenges the traditional education system.

MacKenzie’s 2hr Learning methodology focuses on efficiency and mastery, using AI-powered adaptive learning tools to condense academic instruction into just two hours a day. This approach frees up time for students to explore their passions, develop life skills, and excel in unique projects. Her schools, including Alpha School, have achieved remarkable results, with students learning up to six times faster and consistently performing in the top 2% nationwide.

Tom and MacKenzie discuss the challenges and opportunities of scaling this innovative model, including its potential impact on public education through charter and virtual schools.

Tune in to hear how MacKenzie’s passion and transformative ideas are reshaping education—and why she believes every child can thrive with the right approach.

Key Moments

00:00 "Tom Luna's Educational Podcast"

03:06 Lack of Passion-Driven Education

06:13 School System's Motivation Problem

11:17 Accelerated Learning Through Sports

13:14 Paid Learning for Ukrainian Refugees

18:04 Teaching Grit Through Triathlon

19:42 Cultivating Life Skills and Masterpieces

23:36 Philosophical Alignment in EdTech Education

26:45 "Advocating for Diverse Education Choices"

29:15 Children: 100% of Our Future

Connect with Mackenzie Price

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mackenzielprice/

Website: https://2hourlearning.com/

In Swimming Upstream, host Tom Luna sits down with Dr. Carissa Moffat Miller, CEO of the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO), to discuss the evolving landscape of education policy, leadership, and innovation. With decades of experience shaping state and national education initiatives, Dr. Miller shares insights into the challenges and opportunities in the field today.

The conversation explores pressing topics such as teacher shortages, the impact of high-dosage tutoring on student learning, and the future of math education reform. Dr. Miller also provides a behind-the-scenes look at how CCSSO helped states navigate the pandemic, manage federal education funds, and implement effective recovery strategies.

As artificial intelligence reshapes education, Dr. Miller discusses CCSSO’s efforts to equip state leaders with policies and best practices for AI integration in classrooms. She also shares a unique piece of Nebraska trivia, adding a personal touch to an insightful discussion.

Tune in to hear how education leaders are driving meaningful change, one policy at a time.

Key Moments

00:00:39 - Setting the Scene

00:01:24 - A Career Rooted in Education Leadership

00:03:23 - The Role of CCSSO

00:04:47 - Navigating Political Transitions in Education

00:06:51 - Addressing the Teacher Shortage

00:08:06 - Pandemic Response & Federal Funding

00:10:38 - Data-Driven Education Recovery

00:12:08 - Math Education Reform & The Science of Reading Parallel

00:14:36 - The Rise of AI in Education

00:17:14 - AI Policy & Classroom Integration

00:18:32 - Nebraska Trivia & Unicameral Legislature

Connect with Carissa Miller

Website: https://ccsso.org/

In this episode of Swimming Upstream, host Tom Luna sits down with Bill Hansen, President & CEO of Building Hope, a nonprofit dedicated to supporting charter school facilities, financing, and services. Hansen, a veteran leader in education policy and philanthropy, shares his insights on the challenges and opportunities in expanding school choice, driving educational innovation, and ensuring equitable access to quality education.

Hansen, who previously served as U.S. Deputy Secretary of Education under President George W. Bush, discusses his extensive career in public and private sectors, including his leadership at Strada Education Network, where he helped create a $2 billion national social impact fund. He reflects on key education policies from No Child Left Behind to recent reforms aimed at closing achievement gaps and supporting underserved communities.

The conversation also delves into Hansen’s work at Building Hope, which has played a pivotal role in expanding charter school options across the country, including significant projects in Idaho and Florida. He and Luna explore how rural education, charter school facilities, and innovative learning models—such as Elevate Academy in Idaho—are shaping the future of student success.

As a state board member in Virginia, Hansen highlights the importance of accountability, school choice, and parental engagement in post-pandemic education recovery. Tune in to hear how his lifelong commitment to education reform is helping more students access the learning opportunities they deserve.

Key Moments

06:06 Impact of No Child Left Behind

08:13 Expanding School Choices Nationwide

12:39 "New School Accountability Framework Launched"

14:51 "Why I Prefer Virginia"

Connect with Bill Hansen

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/billdhansen/

Website: https://buildinghope.org/

In this episode of Swimming Upstream, host and former Idaho State Superintendent Tom Luna sits down with Katie Jenner, Indiana’s Secretary of Education, to discuss the state’s bold initiatives to enhance education outcomes. Now in her fifth year leading the Indiana Department of Education, Katie shares insights into the state’s innovative policies aimed at improving teacher recruitment, modernizing graduation requirements, and driving student success.

Katie highlights Indiana’s groundbreaking Educator Supply and Demand Marketplace, a data-driven approach that connects schools with qualified teachers, addressing shortages in special education, STEM, and English language instruction. She also discusses the state’s transformative high school diploma reforms, designed to provide students with personalized pathways—whether through higher education, workforce training, or military service.

The conversation delves into Indiana’s remarkable gains in literacy, driven by research-based reading strategies, and the lessons the state is applying to improve math proficiency. Katie also shares Indiana’s role as a national leader in STEM education, boasting the country’s largest K-12 robotics competition.

Tune in to hear how Indiana is “keeping its foot on the gas pedal” in education and leading the way with data-driven reforms that ensure students graduate prepared for the opportunities ahead.

Key Moments

04:25 Educator Pipeline & Job Matching

09:05 Stagnant Education Amid Rapid Change

11:15 Indiana's 2024 Education Reform Debate

16:01 Relevance in Education Drives Success

18:07 Workforce vs. Higher Ed Skills

21:32 Adopting Mississippi's Literacy Success

24:44 Swimming Upstream Interview

27:30 Children: 100% Future Focus

Connect with Katie Jenner

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katie-jenner

Website: https://www.in.gov/

In this episode of Swimming Upstream, host Tom Luna sits down with James Lane, former Virginia Superintendent of Public Instruction and a key leader in U.S. education. With a career spanning classroom teaching, district leadership, and senior roles in both state and federal education departments, Lane brings a wealth of experience and insight to the pressing challenges in education today.

Recorded at the ASU+GSV Summit, the episode highlights the intersection of innovation and leadership in addressing critical issues like the national teacher shortage. Lane discusses his current work with Educators Rising, a program under the PDK umbrella that aims to inspire high school students to pursue careers in education. By focusing on a "grow your own" model, Educators Rising seeks to address teacher shortages locally, empowering districts to recruit future educators from within their communities.

Listeners will gain valuable insights into Lane’s mission to build a sustainable teacher pipeline and his vision for the future of education. This episode underscores the importance of leadership, innovation, and collaboration in tackling education’s toughest challenges.

Key Moments

04:19 Band director transformed school program and became administrator.

08:52 Multiyear effort ensuring effective American Rescue Plan.

10:52 Left Biden Admin to foster future educators.

15:40 Focus on high school students becoming teachers.

16:49 Teacher quality is crucial; subject gaps persist, especially in STEM.

20:30 Passionate about teaching from a young age.

23:51 Appointed for a 4-year term, achieved goals despite COVID.

26:26 Children are the future; subscribe for more insights.

Connect with James Lane

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-lane-7b712066/

Website:https://education.virginia.edu/

In this episode Swimming Upstream, I'm your host,Tom Luna Tom Luna engages in an enlightening conversation with Gordon Jones, President of the College of Western Idaho (CWI), live from the ASU GSV Conference in San Diego. With a rich educational background spanning K-12 teaching to leadership roles at Ivy League institutions, Gordon shares his compelling journey and vision for CWI, one of the fastest-growing community colleges in the Boise region.

Gordon delves into the transformative impact of community colleges in today’s evolving educational landscape, emphasizing the urgency of making higher education both affordable and accessible. He highlights CWI’s groundbreaking new programs, such as the low-cost 4-year business degree tailored to meet the dynamic demands of Idaho’s workforce and the broader community. Together, they discuss how CWI’s forward-thinking initiatives are designed to foster public trust and drive generational change through innovation and empathy.

Listeners will be captivated by insights from the Harvard Innovation Lab and trends defying predictions about community college growth, as well as how CWI is uniquely positioning itself as a catalyst for economic and educational advancement. Whether you’re passionate about education reform or community-driven leadership, this episode offers valuable lessons for all.

Key Moments

00:00 Interview with Gordon Jones at the ASUGSV conference.

03:38 Harvard Innovation Lab: Global talent fostering cross-disciplinary ideas.

08:29 Many predictions are now respected amid education changes.

13:22 Community college growth defies trends, driven by demand.

16:26 Community colleges offer alternatives to 4-year degrees.

20:46 New Idaho business bachelor's degree approval pending.

21:53 Bachelor’s demand unmet; education ecosystem strengthens.

Connect with Gordon Jones

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gordon-jones-4967174/

Website: https://cwi.edu/