Dr Radha Wagle started life caring for goats in a Nepalese village.  She tells her story, how she came from there to lead Nepal's delegation in international climate negotiations. Radha somehow manages to find humour in  the  challenges women face in leadership roles within environmental sectors.Sophie Hardefeldt talks about the need for feminist system change to ensure women's voices are heard and outlines some practical ways to achieve that.Guests:Dr Radha Wagle – Biodiversity and Climate Adaptation Specialist, Glen Eira City Council, Victoria; formerly Director General, Department of Plant Resources, Ministry of Forests and Environment, Nepal. Sophie Hardefeldt   – Policy and Research Manager, ActionAid Australia.Earth Matters #1518  was produced by Bec Horridge in collaboration with the Womens Climate Congress