Oscar Perress was able to talk to Samuel Miller McDonald, a journalist, writer and student currently based in the UK for his studies at Oxford. Though talking for over an hour, their discussion around Covid-19 can be understood as a discussion on a need for systems change. The interview play on The Wire in three separate parts over a number of weeks, but here are those parts in full. 

They touch on common patterns that emerge from national emergencies, "eco-fascism" and the politics of reaction as well as conceptualising a response to the climate crisis from how our world has reacted and responded to Covid-19.