Welcome to Episode One of the Systems of Business Podcast

In this episode, Tony and Damon talk about:

• How to exit your business and keep your sanity.
• How the entrepreneurial landscape has shifted over the last 20 years.
• AI & the loneliness epidemic.

Tony shares the story of a $20 million fraud that derailed a public listing, and how the fraudsters got away with it simply because the jury and prosecutors couldn't understand the crime.

From there, the conversation jumps from the wild west of building websites in the late 90s to the current AI gold rush.

They discuss why relying on big AI vendors is a trap, the bizarre future of humanoid AI companions, and why dealing with artificial intelligence is basically like dealing with a psychopath.

Finally, they get into what happens the morning after you sell your company and how to survive waking up without the business you've put so much of yourself into.

Systems of business comes out weekly on a Tuesday at 12 pm AEST.  

About the hosts:

• Tony Gavin: ⁠https://tonygavin.com⁠
• Damon Simms: ⁠https://damonsimms.me⁠

About the Pod:

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Welcome to the Systems of Business Podcast.

Every Tuesday at 12 pm AEST, Tony Gavin and Damon Simms cut through the typical entrepreneurial advice to talk about what actually happens when you build and sell companies.

In our first episode, which goes live on the 25th of August, 2026, we dive straight into the ugly side of business exits, including a $20 million corporate fraud that baffled the justice system.

We also track the shift from the wild west of the 90s internet to the current AI gold rush, discuss why dealing with artificial intelligence is like dealing with a psychopath, and explore the harsh psychological reality of waking up the morning after you sell your business.

About the hosts:

• Tony Gavin: https://tonygavin.com
• Damon Simms: https://damonsimms.me

About the Pod:

Systemsofbusiness.com | Linkedin