Podcasting solo today, Tom is relieved to have not one but two remote guests to keep him company!

Donald Mbeutcha and Sara Gattward are from Every Future Foundation, an organisation that aims to support schools with anti-racist education, mainly in London and the surrounding area. 

Whilst the Welsh government have made a commitment to an anti-racist Wales by 2030, and we have organisations like DARPL (founded by colleagues here at Cardiff Met) doing great work to make this vision a reality, we thought it would be interesting to find out how things look over in England, in a city seen as more multicultural than most of Wales, and where there is not a specific, time-bound commitment in relation to anti racism. 

Thanks to Donald and Sara for coming on for what turned out to be a really interesting discussion! You can find them and their work at everyfuturefoundation.co.uk

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Recorded in studio B2.15 at Cardiff Metropolitan University’s Cyncoed Campus on 24th October 2025