Had a wonderful time talking story with Tal about the art of surfboard building, beekeeping, and how he found his way from Ortega, on the banks of the St John's River where he was raised, to the Keys, to all over, and now to Hanna Park, where his innovative mid-length and longboards can be found under the feet of some of north Florida's finest surfers. You can find his shapes on Instagram @fishbirdsurf

Many thanks to the wonderful and talented Caroline Pond and the Snake Oil Medicine Show for lending their sweet tunes for this episode. Caroline is an incredible musician from North Carolina who lives in Hawaii and is a gigantic ball of light. Check out her and the band here and find her @carolinepond