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Diana Kanweri closes not only our special Making of Chimp Empire series, but Season 2 of Talking Apes. The talented Ugandan chimpanzee field guide and camera operator was the first ever Ugandan woman to work on the Ngogo Chimp Project and made an invaluable contribution to the Netflix docuseries. Diana's expertise in navigating the Ugandan wilderness and her keen eye for capturing stunning shots made her an integral part of the filmmaking team behind Chimp Empire.

During her appearance on the podcast, Diana shared her experiences and the challenges she faced while working on the series. Her deep connection to the local environment and her understanding of the chimpanzees' behavior allowed her to capture some of the most impactful and memorable shots of the entire series. Her ability to anticipate and frame key moments in the chimpanzees' lives added an extra layer of visual storytelling to Chimp Empire.

‘I know chimps better than I know my own family. I’m happy, and I think in a way I owe that to them.’ 

Director of Photography. Ben Sadd, in our conversation for Talking Apes, himself acknowledged Diana's remarkable talent, praising her for capturing shots that had a profound impact on the viewers. Her camera work not only showcased the beauty and majesty of the Ngogo chimpanzees but also provided an intimate window into their daily lives, drawing audiences into their world.

‘A chimp saved me life from a large elephant coming up behind me. He warned me and waited for me to run away with him. I couldn’t believe a chimp saved my life.’ 

Diana's contribution to Chimp Empire went beyond her technical skills as a camera operator. Her presence in the Ugandan wilderness and her understanding of the local ecosystem brought authenticity and depth to the documentary series. By capturing the essence of the chimpanzees' natural habitat, Diana's footage added a sense of place and context, enhancing the overall storytelling of the series.

As a field guide and camera operator, Diana played an instrumental role in bringing the wonders of the Ngogo chimpanzees to audiences around the world. Her skillful cinematography and her deep connection to the park and its wildlife allowed viewers to witness the chimpanzees' lives with a sense of intimacy and awe. 

This podcast contains spoilers and we recommend that listeners watch the series on Netflix before listening. 

Netflix theme, and Chimp Empire intro, narration and music, used by permission and under license from Netflix, for use in GLOBIO's Talking Apes four-part podcast series The Making Of - Chimp Empire - Behind The Scenes.

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‘When I arrived at Ngogo, it didn’t take me long to figure out this place was unusual.’ 

For the second installment of our Making of Chimp Empire Series, we were privileged to have the esteemed Professor John Mitani as a guest on Talking Apes. John shared intimate stories about his extraordinary lifetime of work studying the Ngogo chimpanzees and his latest adventure serving as a scientific adviser to the team of filmmakers working on the  hit Netflix docuseries. 

‘The Ngogo chimps have been filmed many times by many people - but nothing like this.’

During our chat, John spoke passionately about his deep connection with the Ngogo chimps owed to his decades-spanning research efforts. His extensive knowledge and expertise in the field of primatology added a profound layer of understanding to the documentary series. As the scientific adviser to the filmmakers, he played a pivotal role in ensuring accuracy and authenticity in the portrayal of chimpanzee behavior and social dynamics.

One remarkable aspect of Professor Mitani's relationship with the director, James Reed, was their blossoming friendship. Through their shared passion for chimpanzees, a bond was formed that transcended the boundaries of their respective disciplines. James recognized the importance of including the scientific community in the filmmaking process and, in doing so, granted Professor Mitani unprecedented levels of creative access. This collaboration between a scientist and a filmmaker brought a unique perspective to Chimp Empire, combining scientific rigor with compelling storytelling.

 ‘The chimps accept our presence. I have a hard time wrapping my head around why, but I'm grateful for it.’ 

By granting Professor Mitani a significant role in the making of Chimp Empire, James elevated the documentary series beyond a mere visual spectacle. The integration of scientific expertise added depth and credibility to the project, ensuring that the behaviors and social dynamics of the Ngogo chimpanzees were accurately portrayed. John told us that this level of collaboration between scientists and filmmakers at Ngogo is not commonplace, making Chimp Empire a truly exceptional exploration of chimp life. 

John will be joining us again on Season 3 of Talking Apes Podcast to talk about his astounding career studying chimpanzee society with the Ngogo Chimpanzee Project. Coming Autumn 2023. 

Click HERE to read more about how the chimps are doing NOW, which was put together with John’s help. 

Click HERE to watch a short behind-the-scenes video of Chimp Empire featuring John.

This podcast contains spoilers and we recommend that listeners watch the series on Netflix before listening. 

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‘Chimpanzees are just incredibly special animals and I think what makes them so unique is their individuality. It’s such a privilege to be able to spend so much time with them.’

The third installation going behind-the-scenes of Chimp Empire in our four-part series celebrating World Chimp Day 2023, featuring immensely talented Director of Photography, Benjamin Sadd. Ben played a crucial role in the creation of the remarkable Netflix docuseries. His passion for wildlife filmmaking and his love for capturing the lives of chimpanzees shines through his work. His dedication to his craft and his genuine affection for these incredible creatures were evident throughout the conversation.

During our discussion, Ben shared his journey of falling in love with filming chimps. His deep connection with these animals goes beyond the technical aspects of cinematography. Ben expressed a personal attachment to the chimpanzees he encountered during the filming of Chimp Empire. His desire to return to Ngogo forest reflects his genuine longing to reconnect with the individuals he has come to know and document.

‘When you’re running through the forest trying to keep up with these chimpanzees, you feel like you’re on their team. You’re rooting for them.’ 

Ben’s commitment to capturing the essence of chimpanzees on film is evident in the stunning visuals of Chimp Empire. His ability to immerse the audience in the world of these intelligent and social creatures is a testament to his skill and artistry as a director of photography. The depth of his connection with the chimpanzees and his desire to share their stories with the world truly sets him apart as a remarkable filmmaker in the wildlife genre.

Click here to visit Ben’s website. 

This podcast contains spoilers and we recommend that listeners watch the series on Netflix before listening. 

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‘We didn’t decide what we wanted the story to be. We wanted the chimps to tell their story, and document that with the highest level of authenticity.’ 

Director James Reed is a visionary filmmaker whose work has captivated audiences around the world. His 2023 Netflix docuseries, Chimp Empire, showcases his remarkable storytelling abilities and his dedication to shedding light on the lives of chimpanzees. This groundbreaking series provides a rare and intimate glimpse into the complex social dynamics and behaviors of these incredible creatures, unraveling the intricate tapestry of their lives in a way that is both educational and emotionally resonant.

‘Your audience is human, so you’re bridging a gap. You’re connecting a human audience to an animal story.’

James is one of four guests joining us on Talking Apes to celebrate World Chimpanzee Day on July 14th with a behind-the-scenes look at The Making of Chimp Empire. During our conversation, James provided insights into the challenges and joys of capturing the chimpanzees' lives on camera. His passion for the subject matter was evident as he discussed the extensive research and patience required to portray these animals' behaviors accurately. He highlighted the importance of storytelling as a means to bridge the gap between humans and chimpanzees, fostering a deeper understanding of our shared evolutionary journey.

‘What’s really interesting are the comments from people who normally aren’t into natural history who say they are blown away by the complexities and similarities and fascination of these animals. That feels like a huge achievement.’ 

As a director, James and his filmmaking crew have elevated the art of nature documentaries, combining stunning cinematography, immersive storytelling, and scientific accuracy to create a powerful viewing experience. Chimp Empire serves as a testament to the profound impact that media can have in fostering a deeper connection between humans and the animal kingdom.

James also co-directed the oscar-winning My Octopus Teacher, directed Rise of The Warrior Apes, and worked as a producer on Disney’s Chimpanzee. 

Click HERE to visit James Reed’s production company, Underdog Films

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This podcast contains spoilers and we recommend that listeners watch the series on Netflix before listening. 

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In recent years, podcasts have emerged as an innovative and accessible medium for science education. With their ability to engage, inform, and entertain listeners, podcasts have become an invaluable tool for disseminating knowledge about various scientific disciplines...including the best one of all, primatology  ;)

It probably won't come as a surprise that  - apart from, of course, our own -  Andrew MacIntosh's, podcast, The PrimateCast,  run out of Kyoto University's Wildlife Research Center, is the Talking Apes team's collective favourite podcast.

Enlightening audiences about the wonders of primatology, evolution, and anthropology since 2012, the show has featured fascinating conversations with some of the primatology world's troop-leaders, including Frans de Waal, John Mitani, and the chimp queen herself, Jane Goodall.

This week we had a lovely chat with Andrew on Talking Apes, where we delved into the history of The PrimateCast and how podcasting has become an indispensable tool to engage and educate the public about primates, the threats they face, and the vital conservation of their habitats. 

We also talked about Andrew's colourful scientific career as part primatologist/marine biologist, behavioural ecologist, and university professor; and his long-term research on the intersection between animal behaviour and parasitism.

Check out the wonderful PrimateCast at theprimatecast.com

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Held captive as pets, dressed in human clothes, forced to perform tricks, and in some cases, even brutally tortured and killed. These are just some of the despicable ways that primates and other wildlife are being exploited online for likes, shares, and cash. 

The rise of social media has unfortunately made it easier for people to share photos and videos of animal cruelty. And according to research, primates make up an overwhelming majority of the abuse cases we find online. 

What’s perhaps even more disturbing is the growing online community who not only seek out this kind of content, but are willing to pay to see horrific acts of abuse committed.

What’s worse - the social media platforms, like Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok, allow revenue to flow into the pockets of the content creators thanks to the popularity of these videos.

'I've watched some of these videos and I can't always watch them all the way through because they're so awful...what's worse are the comments from the community watching and enjoying them.'

The range of types of online animal abuse is vast, varying from obvious and outright acts of violence to the more subtle and insidious fake rescues and wildlife as pets. Cruelty disguised as cuteness fuelling and perpetuating the illegal wildlife trade. 

Nicola O’Brien has been on a 20-year mission to ensure that vulnerable and defenseless animals are treated with respect and dignity. She has taken on the goliath-sized task of confronting the social media giants that allow this content to be uploaded to their platforms. 

‘We are working with the platforms and trying to pressure them to enforce their own policies and remove these clear examples of abuse.’

Leading up the Social Media Animal Cruelty Coalition (SMACC), Nicola and her team are pushing for social media platforms to enforce their own policies and stop providing a platform for this disgusting content. 

Listen now to find out how you can help from home, with just a few clicks. 

Visit www.smaccoalition.com to learn more. 

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Did tool-use lead to talking?

Dr. Gilly Forrester’s groundbreaking research has contributed significantly to our understanding of the evolution of language in humans. Her work, focused on the cognitive abilities of great apes, has highlighted fascinating discoveries about their use of tools and problem solving abilities.

"We share an incredible evolutionary history with other great apes."

One of Gilly's observations has been that apes can modify tools to make them more effective, suggesting a level of cognitive flexibility that was previously thought to be unique to humans. Furthermore, they use tools for a wide range of purposes, including foraging, hunting and  communication. Gilly proposes that tool use may have been a precursor to the development of language in humans.

Join us this week on Talking Apes Podcast where Dr Gillian Forrester shares her captivating findings on how tool-use may have been the evolutionary stepping stone that laid the foundations for the language that we humans we use today.


Gillian Forrester is Professor of Evolutionary and Developmental Psychology at the University of Sussex. She holds her PhD in Experimental Psychology form the University of Oxford. To learn more about her work visit:

gillianforrester.com
mehuman.io
sussex.ac.uk/gillian-forrester


*Please note, the chimpanzee in the header photo is behind glass.  Primate professionals do not condone direct human-ape contact unless in an emergency situation. 

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Gadget Recycler-Ape Lover.  This is how Eric Ronay signs off on all his emails.

From his warehouse in Louisville, Kentucky, Eric works diligently to not only save gorillas and their habitats, but also to save our precious environment while enacting lasting culture change.

Eric, whose vision is clearly seen through the work that Eco-Cell does, wants to empower people, especially teenagers and young adults, to demand sustainable changes within the technology world.

'What we do is a labour of love - I want to see a different kind of consumption culture.'

In an average cell phone, there are several rare minerals. Coltan, for instance, is a mineral that makes tantalum. Tantalum is what allows cell phones and many other handheld electronics to hold a charge. 80% of the world’s coltan is in the Democratic Republic of Congo which is also home to endangered gorillas. Mining of coltan (and other minerals) disrupts and destroys their habitats.

'Everybody's got these old cell phones, nobody knows what to do with them, they don’t know what’s in them, they don’t know they affect wildlife.'

To mitigate this, Eric started Eco-Cell in 2003. Eco-Cell recycles, reuses, and resells cell phones and other electronics. Since its inception, Eco-Cell has safely recycled nearly one million cell phones and raised close to one million dollars for gorilla conservation.

Eric Ronay is a gorilla champion. He has made it his mission to save gorillas and raise awareness of their dire need for protection and increased conservation efforts. He does this by educating children and teenagers about cell phones and other electronics. He inspires them to contact technology companies and demand “gorilla-safe” technologies.

His hope is that, with his education and partnerships with zoos and aquariums, electronics will be kept longer and longer, diminishing the need for increased mining. Eric wants everyone to realize that they do not have to trade in their phone every year for the newest version. Eric is striving for sustainable technology which will positively impact not only the gorillas, but the planet as well.

Episode description by Maegan Leavendusky - Programs Co-ordinator for GLOBIO

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Click HERE to find your closest Eco-Cell drop off point. 

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Mountain gorilla tourism owes its legacy to one man - Praveen Moman.  A visionary conservationist and entrepreneur, Praveen is also called the father of great ape ecotourism in Rwanda's  Virunga Mountains and the Bwindi Impenetrable Forest of Uganda.

Praveen grew up surrounded by Uganda's natural beauty so his passion for conservation was sparked at an early age. After graduating university, he worked for several years in conservation projects in Africa, including as a researcher in Rwanda’s Virunga National Park, which is home to endangered mountain gorillas.

"When you see a gorilla, there's a recognition of some deep connection between you."

In 1997, he founded Volcanoes Safaris with the goal of promoting sustainable tourism in Uganda and Rwanda. The company’s mission is to provide unique and authentic travel experiences while supporting local communities and protecting the environment. Volcanoes Safaris operates several luxury lodges and camps, including the award-winning Virunga Lodge, which offers stunning views of the Virunga Mountains and the nearby gorilla habitats.

"Our priority should be to look after the local people. People have got to be part of the conservation chain."

Volcanoes Safaris has become a model for sustainable tourism, and the company’s efforts have contributed to the growth of Rwanda’s tourism industry.  The ethos is based around community conservation -  working closely with local communities to ensure that they benefit from conservation efforts. Volcanoes Safaris works with several local community groups, including women’s cooperatives and youth groups, to provide training and employment opportunities in the tourism industry. Volcanoes also supports several conservation initiatives, such as the Mountain Gorilla Veterinary Project, which provides medical care to gorillas in the wild.

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"Viruses are the dark angels of evolution, terrific and terrible, without which, the immense biological diversity gracing our planet would collapse."

In 2013 veteran science writer David Quammen wrote an opinion piece for the New York Times titled, The Next Pandemic: Not if, but When?  Seven years later he found himself writing about the horrors of the very thing he had foretold, as the Covid-19 virus surged throughout our world.

This week, continuing our special Zoonotic Disease In the Spotlight month, David joins us for a second time round to discuss his book BREATHLESS: The Scientific Race to Defeat a Deadly Virus.

BREATHLESS  is the story of SARS-CoV-2 and its fierce journey through the human population, as seen by the scientists who study its origin, its ever-changing nature, and its capacity to kill us.

Through conversations with 95 expert scientists, David examines how Covid and other strange viruses emerge from other animals and infect we human apes, leading to global catastrophe.
 
This week on Talking Apes, we ask David:

• How did Covid-19 start?
• How are bats linked to Covid-19? Why do bats cause pandemics? 
• Why do zoonotic diseases emerge from wet markets? 
• Are all viruses bad?
• Did governments respond badly to the Covid-19 crisis?
• How can we prevent future pandemics?  

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Click HERE to learn more about zoonotic diseases. 

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