This episode examines the absence of race in children’s literature. Guest interviewer, Dr
Emily Zobel Marshall, talks with Darren Chetty and Lisa Stephenson about the reasons why
BAME children think stories are about White people and why in a tiny minority of books for
primary children feature a BAME character or a BAME protagonist. They discuss the
positive role played by the Story Makers project in addressing this absence.

In this episode of Talking Race, hosts Professor Vini Lander and Dr Daniel Kilvington speak with Professor Dave Gillborn about Critical Race Theory (CRT). He was one of the first people to use CRT in Britain. He discusses where CRT comes from, whether it is a theory and how it gets under the skin of racism. Gillborn talks about the salience of racism in education and how CRT has become a global approach.