This show is the second of two parts on the tricky and crucial work of speaking with young people about the climate: conversations with two educators on opposite sides of the world.  Jonathan Noble is the Director of the School of Nature and Climate at CERES Community Environment Park, Narrm (melbourne), which every year delivers climate education programs to thousands of learners. His previous work includes engagement and learning program design for Conservation Volunteers Australia, Zoos South Australia, and the SA Department of Education.   Sandra Goldstein Lehnert is the Cultural Director at Camp Kinderland in Massachusetts, USA, which has operated since 1923 delivering a leftist political education program in a summer camp context. They are a community organiser, PhD candidate, and adjunct lecturer and graduate teaching fellow in the Department of English at Queens College, New York. You’ll hear about the importance of spaces outside the traditional classroom, for giving kids the space and tools to love our living world; as well as insights for your own engagement with young people, at home, work or in your community. Earth Matters #1529 was produced by Mia Audrey on Wurundjeri Woiwurrung country.