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Former Shincheonji member Azreal sits down with Talking Trophies to share what drew him in, what made him suspicious and why he ultimately walked away.
From his account of the “fruit and leaf” recruitment method to the commitment involved, we explore his experience—and his feelings towards the people who introduced him to the group.
A personal conversation about trust, belonging and finding your own way forward.
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Topics We Went Through To Make Your Lives Easier
0:00 Intro To Shincheonji
6:08 What Its Like In Shincheonji
6:50 How Do You Get Drawn Into Groups Like Shincheonji
11:20 Who Is The Leader Of Shincheonji
15:23 What’s The Fruit And Leaf Method
18:34 How Do People Get Recruited Into These Groups
25:40 Finding Allegations On Lee Man-hee
28:15 How Committed Do You Have To Be In Shincheonji
33:23 Does Secrecy Make A Group A Cult?
37:30 When Did Azreal Get Suspicious Of Shincheonji
42:15 How Groups Like Shincheonji Make Money
46:05 Leaving Shincheonji Forever
55:52 Are You Angry At The People Showed You Shincheonji
Ur Boy Bangz is trading rap for real estate—and he’s got stories to tell.
The Melbourne legend joins Talking Trophies to talk property in Africa, his unforgettable rap run and that Jimmy Fallon beef. Plus, a Pauline Hanson take that sparks a heated debate.
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Topic We Went Through
0:00 Intro
2:45 Bangz Buying Property In Africa
7:30 Maccas Need Better Customer Service
15:07 Businesses Are Getting Hacked And Being Racist
24:03 Bangz Had A Generational Run In The Rap Game
34:40 Why’d Jimmy Fallon Call Out Your Boy Bangz
40:56 Bangz Thinks These Young Rappers Back
41:44 Why’d Bangz Stop Music
44:34 How To Survive A Lethal Injection TWICE
49:00 What Would Your Last Meal Be On Deathrow
52:46 Bangz Is A Pauline Hanson Fan (HEATED DEBATE)
1:04:15 A Word Game
This week on Talking Trophies, we’re joined by Tilahun Hailu for an episode that goes everywhere — from what it actually means to be bold and whether the AFL Grand Final delivered, to planning a boys cruise and the reality of still living at home.
Then we get into AI doomsday, whether ChatGPT could genuinely replace comedians, and somehow end up questioning whether we should become comedians ourselves.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
1:50 Changing Our Name Back to the Original
6:30 What Is the Definition of Being Bold?
12:30 Was the AFL Grand Final a Miss?
15:35 Planning a Boys Cruise Ship Trip
22:04 Why Are People Still Living With Their Parents?
37:46 AI Doomsday
44:48 Can ChatGPT Replace Comedians?
58:34 Ed Sheeran & Free Palestine
1:13:00 Should We Become Comedians?
Why does making real friends suddenly feel so much harder once you hit your mid-20s? Strictly D.T joins us to talk adult friendships, students turning on their parents, Rayvo's heartbreaking footy Grand Final loss and plenty more along the way.
Another week of stories, debates and unfiltered conversations from Talking Trophies.
Strictly D.T Links
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Moment of Truth Workshop
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Chapters
0:00 What Does a Talking Trophies Listener Look Like?
2:00 How Strictly D.T Knows Damian
5:41 Rayvo’s Grand Final Heartbreak
21:28 Why Are Our Feet Like This?
27:30 The Weird Things You Start Doing as an Adult
34:00 The Seafood Debate
39:00 Why Is It So Hard to Make Friends After 25?
43:00 Are Couple Friendships Actually Weird?
47:00 Are We Overthinking Friendship?
53:00 Things You Can’t Do With Your Partner
57:28 Why Are We Still Pranking People as Adults?
1:02:49 Short Trips > Long Holidays?
1:04:51 Strictly D.T on Getting Knocked Out in Boxing
1:08:32 Growing Up Half African-American, Half Samoan
1:14:00 Why Don’t White People Share Food?
1:18:23 Students Jump a Parent Over Bullying
1:30:00 How Strictly D.T Is Helping Teenagers Through Moment of Truth
This week we talk GTA 6 and whether a game we've waited 13 years for can possibly live up to the hype. We also break down the Lindsay Clancy case, the viral Oreogate parenting debate, helicopter parenting and what we're doing as summer approaches.
Another week of conversations, debates and questionable takes from Talking Trophies.
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Topics We Went Through
0:00 Comment And Say It With Your Chest
1:00 Weathers Warming Up What We Doing This Summer?
13:25 GTA 6 Is Gonna Cause A Lot Of Controversy
25:48 Lindsay Clancy The Mum That Took Out Her Three Kids
42:39 What’s Postpartum Psychosis
53:29 Movie Of The Week Review
55:32 The Oreogate Situation
59:34 What Happened To Kidnappers?
1:01:25 Helicopter Parents
This week we get into the Sydney Swans controversy and try to figure out what’s actually going on. Damian also tells us about experiencing his first Muay Thai fight before we discover the Humanoid Robot Olympics might be a sign humans are finished.
Plus plenty of arguments, questionable takes and conversations that went completely off track.
Topics We Went Through
0:00 Almost In The Matrix
3:47 Rayvo loves footy
8:24 Why Is Celebrating Goals Taboo In Australia
11:56 Sydney Swans Hotel Incident
25:45 Damian Went Muai Thai & It Was Brutal
36:21 Stop Helping People It’s Bad For You!
39:12 NSW Premier Made A Massive Mistake
45:06 We Don’t Know How To Survive In The Wild Anymore
49:07 Humaoid Robot Olympics Signs Of The End
55:28 Chill With The Islamophobia It’s Not That Deep
56:50 We Get Why People Are Bad… Now
1:00:32 Shout Out Kalows
Lost Lyrics joins us in Melbourne during his Australian tour.
We talk about leaving Houston with $700 and a 2001 Toyota Camry to chase music, becoming a comedian instead, growing up Eritrean-American, diaspora culture and taking Eritrean humour worldwide.
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Topics we went through to make your lives easier
0:00 intro
3:10 First Impressions On Melbourne
8:33 Australia Vs America Which Is Better
13:03 What Negative Trait Did You Get From Your Eritrean Parents
26:30 Driving To LA with $700 & A 2001 Toyota Camry
35:10 Fetish For Old School Cars
36:40 Why Stop Rapping And Start Comedy
41:30 From Dropping Out Of Uni 4 Times To Getting A 3.4 GPA
44:37 Stealing Doordash Orders Are So Underrated
48:73 Why Im Touring Australia
56:47 Visiting Eritrea
1:02:46 Why Are Eritrean Muslims And Christians So Divided
1:10:05 Rapid Fire Questions
Damian’s back from Thailand, and we somehow went from Phuket stories to AI bots, political narratives and the way social media is shaping what people believe.
We talk about Damian’s trip, whether you should preach your beliefs, the rise of AI-generated content, Pauline Hanson and One Nation being pushed online, the Census controversy, internet trends and some of the strangest things happening online.
Plus, we answer questions from the Deevs & Daveys and play a few games along the way.
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Topics We Went Through To Make Your Lives Easier
0:00 Damian’s Back From Thailand
8:40 Should You Preach Your Beliefs
18:30 Phuket Was Nice
24:00 What’s Chroming
28:55 Answering Deevs And Davey’s Questions
41:05 Pauline Hanson Using Bots To Push Her Narative
55:35 The Census Controversy
58:55 Were These Trends Hit Or Miss
1:02:35 Perez Hilton TikTok Live Scary
1:07:33 AI Made Us Believe Cristiano Ronaldo Had His Wedding
1:10:02 People Remember How They Feel Not The Event
Rayvo is joined by Labzy while Damian makes his long-awaited return... sort of. 😂 This week they unpack the Yung Filly case, whether social media is warping public opinion, why Sydney still isn't winning Rayvo over, and the debate around the 60,000 people crossing into Spain. Plus a dilemma that needs your advice, the rise of AI glasses, and a few conversations that somehow end with giants.
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Topics We Went Through To Make Your Lives Easier
0:00 Damian’s Back?
1:20 Rayvo Can’t Do 5hr Sleeps Anymore
2:08 Filly Not Guilty But Guilty?
19:10 The Harms Of Minor Cases Looking Like They Happen Often
30:00 Any Updates On Chris Brown?
34:53 12hrs in Sydney & Why Rayvo Hates That City
42:35 We Found The Best Business Man In Australia
49:00 Rayvo’s Dillema (Needs Your Help)
59:40 KMART Meta Glasses It’s Getting Dangerous
1:02:12 Are Giants Real?
1:08:52 60,000 Crossing The Border Invasion Or Planned?
Damian's in Thailand this week, so Rayvo is joined by Somali Steve behind the camera for a solo episode. We unpack Spain's World Cup win, the history behind Argentina's Black population, whether Messi should retire, our thoughts on The Odyssey, a brand new game Can You Find It On TikTok?, social media curfews, subscription fatigue, and the things we all pretend to enjoy.
Tune in for another week of laughs, debates and unfiltered conversations.
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Topics We Went Through
0:00 Damian’s In Thailand
1:34 Spain Won The World Cup
4:22 Rayvo Found Out What The Argentinians Did To Their Black People
12:15 Messi Needs To Retire Before He Becomes A Villain
15:55 The Odyssey Was It A Flop Or Banger?
35:35 Can You Find It On TikTok (New Game)
39:00 Why We Trying To Control These Teenagers For?
48:22 Cancel All Your Subscriptions You’re Getting Finessed
53:39 Are These Things We Pretend To Like
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