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- Episode 27: Class Action
ABOUT THIS EPISODE
An ongoing controversy is whether colleges and universities should be free to consider race and ethnicity in admissions, and how the use of race relates to "merit." As indicated in a recent Gallup poll, many people think merit should trump race or ethnicity, but what do they really mean by "merit"? Whose interests are at stake? What will happen if colleges and universities can't consider race and ethnicity as they decide whom to admit? I discuss these questions with Julie J. Park, a University of Maryland professor in the Department of Counseling, Higher Education, and Special Education.LINKS
--Julie Park's profile at the University of Maryland--"Most in U.S. Oppose Colleges Considering Race in Admissions," Gallup--Mismatch: How Affirmative Action Hurts Students It's Intended To Help, and Why Universities Won't Admit It, by Richard Sander and Stuart Taylor, Jr.--The Shape of the River: Long-Term Consequences of Considering Race in College and University Admissions, William G. Bowen & Derek Bok--Race on Campus: Debunking Myths With Data, by Julie J. Park.--Students for Fair Admissions--New York Times profile on Edward Blum--"Justice Department Backs Lawsuit Led By Maine Resident Challenging Harvard's 'Racial Balancing'," Portland Press HeraldCover art credit: Tyler de Noche (Wikimedia Commons)
Special Guest: Julie Park.
31 min - Episode 26: A Mighty Pen, Part II (Another Discussion of the Kavanaugh Nomination)
ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Judge Brett Kavanaugh currently sits on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, but he's better known now as the more recent Supreme Court nominee by President Donald Trump, nominated to replace retired Associate Justice Anthony Kennedy. This is the second of two episodes focused on Kavanaugh's record and thinking, and the impact his addition would likely have on the Court.I spoke with Jonathan Adler and Brianne Gorod. Adler is the Johan Verheij Memorial Professor of Law at the Case Western Reserve University School of Law, as well as the Director of its Center for Business Law and Regulation. He has clerked for the Honorable David B. Sentelle on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit. Gorod is Chief Counsel at the Constitutional Accountability Center, and has clerked for Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer.
LINKS
Jonathan Adler's profile at Case WesternBrianne Gorod's profile at the Constitutional Accountability CenterAgri Processor Co Inc v. National Labor Relations BoardOn Garza v. HarganPlanned Parenthood v. Casey"The stare decisis Court" (Adler, on the Roberts Court and precedent)U.S. v. Burwell (related to mens rea, or criminal intent)U.S. v. Queen Nwoye (related to battered woman syndrome)Janus v. AFSCMEV.L. v. E.L.Pavan v. Smith"Supreme Court clerks are not a particularly diverse lot" (Adler, in the Washington Post, for the Volokh Conspiracy)"The Supreme Court is terrible at hiring diverse law clerks, but Neil Gorsuch is surprisingly good at it" (Mark Joseph Stern, at Slate)Cover art credit: Office of Senator Chuck Grassley (Wikimedia Commons)
Special Guests: Brianne Gorod and Jonathan H. Adler (law).
56 min - Episode 25: A Mighty Pen, Part I (Discussing the Kavanaugh Nomination)
ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Judge Brett Kavanaugh currently sits on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, but he's better known now as the most recent Supreme Court nominee by President Donald Trump, nominated to replace retired Associate Justice Anthony Kennedy. This is the first of two episodes focused on Kavanaugh's record and thinking, and the impact his addition would likely have on the Court.I spoke with Peter Margulies and Stephen Vladeck. Margulies is Professor of Law at Roger Williams University's School of Law, where he teaches national security law, immigration law, and international law. Vladeck is the A. Dalton Cross Professor in Law at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law, where his teaching and research focus on federal jurisdiction, constitutional law, national security law, and military justice. Both have participated in cases at the appellate level (including cases that have come before Kavanaugh). It's also worth noting that Vladeck was part of a legal team that participated in the Supreme Court case Hamdan v. Rumsfeld and is also CNN's Supreme Court analyst.
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Peter Margulies's profile at Roger Williams UniversityStephen Vladeck's profile at UT-AustinHamdan v. Rumsfeld"Guantánamo bay prosecutors accuse detainee of conspiracy"Margulies, on the al-Bahlul decisionVladeck on al-BahlulSaleh, et al. v. Titan, et al.Doe v. Exxon Mobil CorporationHernandez v. Mesa"Brett Kavanaugh is the antidote to corporate America's worries about Trump" by Ronald Brownstein, in The AtlanticUtility Air Regulatory Group v. EPAMichigan v. Environmental Protection AgencyUnited States v. NixonHumphrey's Executor v. United StatesStare decisis definedCover art credit: Office of Senator Chuck Grassley (Wikimedia Commons)
Special Guests: Peter Margulies and Stephen Vladeck.
59 min - Episode 24: Old Times Forgotten (Talking Southern Politics)
ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Jay Barth is the M.E. and Ima Graves Peace Distinguished Professor of Politics at Hendrix College, of which he is an alum (as is the host of this podcast). Jay recently joined Tatter to talk about Arkansas politics, Southern politics, and national politics. Topics included a discussion of just how much support Donald Trump enjoys, whether a new political realignment has occurred in the U.S., what's gotten boring and what's stayed interesting about Arkansas politics, and what it was like to teach the day after Trump was elected.LINKS
Jay Barth's Hendrix College faculty profileThe Hendrix College Odyssey Program"The pro-Trump Republican base might not be as scary as it looks" by Jamelle Bouie, at Slate"A closer look at the gender gap in presidential voting" by Richa Chaturvedi at the Pew Research CenterCover art credit: Caesar Rodney (Wikimedia Commons)
Special Guest: Jay Barth.
37 min - Episode 23: Policy of Truth (or, How to Tell a Good Story)
ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Peter Aguero is a Moth storyteller and host, as well as creator and performer of the one-man show Daddy Issues. Tara Clancy is also a Moth storyteller and host, as well as author of the memoir The Clancys of Queens, and a panelist on the quiz show Wait Wait...Don't Tell Me! on NPR. Both Aguero and Clancy are Moth GrandSLAM champions. In this conversation, they're joined by social psychologist and communications researcher Melanie Green, who studies stories. As a former producer of a live storytelling program, and one who always tried to be helpful, host Michael Sargent wants to help novice storytellers hone their craft, and as a selfish, judgmental ass who wants to have an enjoyable experience in the audience, Sargent also wants to help novices hone their craft so that he'll enjoy listening to their stories. Accordingly, he talked with Aguero, Clancy, and Green about how to tell a good story. There's some useful advice in here.LINKS
Peter Aguero's "Main Event," as told at The CornerTara Clancy's "Hail Mary Softball," as published in The New York TimesMelanie Green's profile at the University at BuffaloPeter Aguero's Daddy Issues showPeter Aguero's "Me, Her, & It," as told at The MothTara Clancy's "Boom-Boom Waits for Nobody," as told at The MothTara's memoir, The Clancys of Queens"Why 'getting lost in a book' is so good for you, according to science" (includes quotes by Melanie Green)Cody LaMontagne's "Havana," as told at The CornerMichael Sargent's "School Days," as told at The CornerShannon Cason's Homemade Stories podcastCover art credit: Ben Grey, Speak Your Mind (Wikimedia Commons)
Special Guests: Melanie Green, Peter Aguero, and Tara Clancy.
59 min - Episode 22: Moats and Bridges
Father James Martin is a Jesuit priest and editor at large for America: The Jesuit Review. He's the author of multiple books, including Building A Bridge: How The Catholic Church And The LGBT Community Can Enter Into A Relationship Of Respect, Compassion, And Sensitivity. Although I had hoped to make this interview the basis of a special Pride episode of Tatter, July was the soonest we could chat, and I am grateful to Father Jim for talking to me. Even though I'm an atheist, and even though I don't agree with him or the Catholic Church on all issues, I respect him and so I call him "Father" without hesitation.
He's been a guest multiple times on the Colbert Report, and even earned the informal distinction of chaplain for the show. He's also appeared on NPR's Fresh Air, PBS's The Newshour with Jim Lehrer, and more. I feel lucky that Father Jim spent time with Tatter. We discussed LGBT issues for the most part, but also the Trump administration's treatment of refugees. Check it out.
LINKS
Wiki entry on Thomas MertonSociety of Jesus (The Jesuits)Jesuit Refugee Service"Building a Bridge" by James MartinCatechism of the Catholic Church (2358)"Austrian cardinal leads World AIDS Day memorial, provides example to follow" (New Ways Ministry)Father Jim's Facebook pageFather Jim's Twitter profileFather Jim's profile at America: The Jesuit ReviewAtlantic article on Dorothy DayNPR report on Oscar RomeroCover art credit: Damnonii, Thomas Linard, and Wikignome0529 (Wikimedia Commons)
Special Guest: Father James Martin.
31 min - Episode 21: Brotherly Love
On April 12, 2018, Donte Robinson and Rashon Nelson, two Black men, were waiting in a Philadelphia Starbucks for another man to join them for a business meeting. As was widely reported, they were asked to leave after not buying anything and ultimately were arrested for trespassing after refusing to leave. (The manager who called 911 is no longer with Starbucks.)
As soon as I learned about this incident, I wanted to talk to a police officer in Philadelphia about what happened, how officers are trained to handle such incidents, and issues of policing and race more generally. G. Lamar Stewart, a Philadelphia police officer and, importantly, Vice-President of the National Black Police Association: Greater Philadelphia Chapter, agreed to this interview.
We discussed the Starbucks arrest and a range of other issues, including his work as a minister.
LINKS
"Starbucks, police and mayor Respond to controversial arrest of 2 Black men in Philly" (NPR)"Philly cops issue new trespassing policy in response to criticism over Starbucks arrest" (Philadelphia Inquirer)Memo describing the new trespassing policyFacebook page for the National Black Police Association Inc.: The Greater Philadelphia Chapter"Taylor Memorial Baptist: Growing into a complete community church" (Philadelphia Tribune)Cover art credit: Skyfox11 (from Wikimedia Commons, public domain images)
Special Guest: Lamar Stewart.
32 min - Episode 20: The Humean Stain, Part 2
ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Implicit bias has been studied by many social psychologists, and one particular measure, the Implicit Association Test (or IAT) has often been used in that research. It has also been used by practitioners, often for purposes of raising participants' awareness of their own biases. And millions have completed IAT's online at the Project Implicit website.In this episode, I continue a discussion with six people who have all thought about the IAT, with the conversation covering such topics as (a) how well the IAT predicts discriminatory behavior and other behavior, (b) whether it's appropriate for the Project Implicit website to give individualized feedback to visitors who complete online IAT's there, and (c) the content and effectiveness of implicit bias training. My guests are psychologists Calvin Lai, Brian Nosek, Mike Olson, Keith Payne, and Simine Vazire, as well as journalist Jesse Singal.
LINKS
--Interpreting correlation coefficients (by Deborah J. Rumsey)--Project Implicit (where you can take an IAT)--Brian Nosek's departmental web page--Calvin Lai's departmental web page--"Psychology's favorite tool for measuring racism isn't up to the job" (Jesse Singal, in The Cut)--Keith Payne's departmental web page--Michael Olson's departmental web page--Simine Vazire's departmental web page--The Black Goat (podcast on which Simine Vazire is a co-host)--"Understanding and and using the Implicit Association Test: III. Meta-analysis of predictive validity (Greenwald, Poehlmann, Uhlmann, & Banaji, 2009)--"Statistically small effects of the Implicit Association Test can have societally large effects" (Greenwald, Banaji, & Nosek, 2015)--"Using the IAT to predict ethnic and racial discrimination: Small effects sizes of unknown societal significance" (Oswald, Mitchell, Blanton, Mitchell, & Tetlock, 2015)--"Arbitrary metrics in psychology" (Blanton & Jaccard, 2006)--"The bias of crowds: How implicit bias bridges personal and systemic prejudice" (Payne, Vuletich, & Lundberg, 2017; access is subscription-controlled)--"Measuring individual differences in implicit cognition: The Implicit Association Test" (Greenwald, McGhee, & Schwartz, 1998)--A summary of David Hume's thoughts on the association of ideas--Two Psychologists Four Beers (podcast featuring psychologists Yoel Inbar and Mickey Inzlicht)--Very Bad Wizards (podcast featuring psychologist David Pizarro and philosopher Tamler Sommers)Cover art credit: "Still Life with Bottles, Wine, and Cheese," John F. Francis (1857; public domain, from Wikimedia Commons, copyright tag: PD-US)
Special Guests: Brian Nosek, Calvin Lai, Jesse Singal, Keith Payne, Michael Olson, and Simine Vazire.
57 min - Episode 19: The Humean Stain, Part 1
On April 12, 2018, Donte Robinson and Rashon Nelson, two African-American men, were arrested for trespassing at a Philadelphia Starbucks. They were waiting for another person to join them for a meeting, when a manager called the police because they hadn't made a purchase. In the face of ensuing controversy, Starbucks closed stores nationwide one afternoon at the end of May in order to hold anti-bias training sessions for employees. As in this case and elsewhere, the topic of implicit racial bias has captured many imaginations.
Implicit bias has been studied by many social psychologists, and one particular measure, the Implicit Association Test (or IAT) has often been used in that research. It has also been used by practitioners, often for purposes of raising participants' awareness of their own biases. And millions have completed IAT's online at the Project Implicit website.
In this episode, I talk with six people who have all thought about the IAT, with the conversation covering such topics as (a) what kinds of mental associations might be revealed by performance on the IAT, (b) how reliable is it as a measure, and (c) whether or not the research debates surrounding the IAT are an example of good science. My guests are psychologists Calvin Lai, Brian Nosek, Mike Olson, Keith Payne, and Simine Vazire, as well as journalist Jesse Singal.
LINKS
--Scientific American Frontiers episode on implicit bias--Project Implicit (where you can take an IAT)--Brian Nosek's departmental web page--Calvin Lai's departmental web page--Michael Olson's departmental web page--Keith Payne's departmental web page--Simine Vazire's departmental web page--"Psychology's favorite tool for measuring racism isn't up to the job" (Jesse Singal, in The Cut)--"Statistically small effects of the Implicit Association Test can have societally large effects" (Greenwald, Banaji, & Nosek, 2015)--"Using the IAT to predict ethnic and racial discrimination: Small effects sizes of unknown societal significance" (Oswald, Mitchell, Blanton, Mitchell, & Tetlock, 2015)--A summary of David Hume's thoughts on the association of ideasCover art credit: "Still Life with Bottles, Wine, and Cheese," John F. Francis (1857; public domain, from Wikimedia Commons, copyright tag: PD-US)
Special Guests: Brian Nosek, Calvin Lai, Jesse Singal, Keith Payne, Michael Olson, and Simine Vazire.
59 min - Episode 18: The Story Is Not Enough
Josie Duffy-Rice, an attorney with the Fair Punishment Project, spoke with me about a variety of topics related to criminal justice, including efforts at reform, the ideas of author (and new New York Times columnist) Michelle Alexander, prosecutors (including progressive ones), and race and crime. You should check out this episode, and also follow Josie's Twitter feed.
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Fair Punishment ProjectMichelle Alexander's book The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of ColorblindnessMichelle Alexander joins The New York TimesJohn Pfaff's book Locked In: The True Causes of Mass Incarceration and How to Achieve Real ReformProsecutor Criticized Over Laquan McDonald Case Is Defeated In PrimaryCook County State's Attorney Kim Foxx Announces Release of Office's First Data ReportPhiladelphia DA Larry Krasner Promised a Criminal Justice Revolution. He's Exceeding ExpectationsJosie Duffy-Rice on Twitter10% of U.S. Counties Now 'Majority-Minority'Cover art credit: Toby Hudson (public domain, from Wikimedia Commons)
Special Guest: Josie Duffy Rice.
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This is a podcast exploring issues in politics and policy. Each episode features conversation with at least one subject matter expert, with a goal of helping listeners better understand the topic.