In this engaging conversation, Charles and Mike Deskin discuss the evolution of Dresner Group, a Maryland-based managed service provider, from its inception in 2002 to its current focus on cybersecurity and security monitoring. They explore the challenges and transitions within the IT landscape, including the shift from break-fix models to managed services, and the impact of new tax proposals on the MSP community. The discussion highlights the importance of adapting to client needs and the organic growth of the business into new states, driven by demand from existing clients. In this conversation, Mike Deskin discusses the evolution and challenges of Managed Service Providers (MSPs), emphasizing the importance of trust in partnerships, the necessity of internal processes for growth, and the role of automation and AI in enhancing operational efficiency. He shares insights on market sentiment and the future outlook for MSPs, highlighting the need for a balance between technology and human expertise.