Enjoy "Real Over Ideal's" first mental health run down of popular culture with friend of the podcast, Pam Moore.

Vanessa and Pam, both trained Occupational Therapists and 'fans' of Internal family systems (and Taylor Swift) talk about "Eldest Daughter."

  

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