I got to talk with my dear bandmate and collaborator Jared Samuel about the idea of channeling music, and how that idea sometimes feels patronizing in certain contexts. Stevie Weinstein-Foner joined us to share a strange synchronicity on the same subject. With mentions of the absolutely glorious Adrianne Lenker of Big Thief.

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Find Stevie's work here:

http://www.steviewf.com/

And check out some of Jared's incredible credits here:

https://www.allmusic.com/artist/jared-samuel-mn0000539492