Tech Bound Podcast

Today, I’m unpacking a fascinating conversation with Kieran Flanagan, CMO at Zapier and former SVP of Marketing at HubSpot. This discussion centers on Calendly, a scheduling app used by millions, and its strategic acquisition of Prelude.

We talk about the critical role of platforms in product-led growth (PLG) businesses. AI tools, for instance, are seen not as standalone products but platform features. Canva's freemium text image generator exemplifies a platform disrupting the market. Grammarly and Jasper also come up in the context of branding and market disruption.

Distribution is vital for platforms. Calendly's acquisition of Prelude, an HR enterprise tool, is a case in point. Flanagan compares Calendly's potential growth strategy to HubSpot's approach of building individual hubs around the contact record, each catering to different roles like marketing, sales, customer success, and operations.

We also explore the idea of Calendly morphing into a platform and integrating with other established products to multiply its value, for example, Gong, Outreach, Chorus, Jira, Monday, Asana, Dovetail, and Qualtrics.

Lastly, Flanagan shares some intriguing marketing ideas for Calendly, including acquiring a company like Lyre for its distribution capabilities and using Calendly to understand where time gets wasted or lost within an organization, thereby helping to optimize productivity.

About Kieran Flanagan

Introducing Kieran Flanagan:

* Current Chief Marketing Officer at Zapier and former Senior Vice President of Marketing at HubSpot.

* Known for strategic insights and innovative ideas in the tech industry.

* Expert in product-led growth (PLG) businesses and the importance of becoming a platform.

* https://www.linkedin.com/in/kieranjflanagan/

* https://twitter.com/searchbrat

Notes on the product, market, company and challenges

Product

* Calendly = scheduling app used by +10M people, from tech workers to yoga class instructors

* Vision: be THE go-to platform for work and leisure life planning

* Basic explanation: you want to schedule time with someone → all you need to do is share your Calendly, and they can pick a time

* You can set a time limit, charge them for your time, and define time slots

Company

* Founded in 2013 by Tope Awotona

* profitable today

* Valued at $3b in 2020 by raising $350M from investors + Awotona’s life savings

Growth

* Massive growth during the pandemic: 50% Y/Y revenue growth in 2021 (about $85M)

* growing faster than companies like Zapier or DocuSign

* 53% market share in the US

Market

* appointment scheduling market: ~$300M in 2021

* 13-19% CAGR (compound annual growth rate)

* predicted to reach $500-$700M in 2027

* Direct competitors: calendar.com, Setmore, Timetrade

* Indirect competitors: Google, Hubspot, Drift

* Trends:

* big players like Google getting into the market

* remote work = accelerant for scheduling software

* More professions use scheduling software, e.g. doctors

Challenges

* Google entered the market: Google Workspace customers ($7.99) can provide scheduling with their Google Calendar

* 2nd largest calendar app after Outlook, > 500M people

* If Google Calendar was a social network, it would be bigger than Twitter or Snapchat

* Calendly needs to win the enterprise segment

* Calendly needs to build more features for verticals like Sales, HR or Productivity

Context of the episode

* Calendly acquired Prelude

* Predule = enterprise interview scheduling app for recruiting

* Prelude raised $2.4M and has hundreds of customers

* makes it easier to schedule a series of interviews (journey) with several stakeholders without the typical back and forth

* more than just scheduling: provides information to applicants, Interviewer prep, and hiring analytics

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On their latest investor day, Founder and CEO Daniel EK presented 6 bets for the future, of which 3 are unknown. In this Tech Bound episode, Tommy Walker and Kevin discuss the 3 unknown bets Spotify might pursue as part of its strategy.

They discuss the importance of infrastructure for live streaming and the potential for an incubator program to help discover new artists. They also discuss the possibility of independent artists being able to provide a Patreon equivalent on Spotify and concert streaming.

SHOW NOTES

Spotify investor day

The Content Studio

The Cutting Room show

TIME STAMPS

00:01:25 - The six bets for Spotify's future

00:02:45 - Live streaming

00:11:15 - An incubator program for new artists

00:16:35 - A Patreon equivalent on Spotify

00:21:45 - Concerts

00:27:15 - Data analysis and personalization in the music industry

00:32:00 - Marketing music in the digital age

00:37:00 - How Spotify could test artists for their potential

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In this episode, I chat with Ramli John, onboarding expert and author of the book "Product-Led Onboarding." Ramli shares his journey into the field of onboarding and the importance of effective onboarding for customer retention. We talk about the difference between product-led and sales-led onboarding and the Eureka model, which includes three stages: the aha moment, activation, and habituation. Ramli provides insights into setting goals and metrics for successful onboarding, creating user personas, and the importance of a seamless user experience. We also venture into his process for writing a book and the role of beta readers. Tune in to learn how to optimize your onboarding process for growth and success.

Why onboarding is critical for Growth

Onboarding is critical for Growth because it helps users understand the value of a product and sets the foundation for a positive user experience. Done well, onboarding can lead to increased customer retention and, ultimately, revenue.

5 takeaways about onboarding

* Focus on onboarding as a crucial aspect of customer retention.

* Consider the difference between product-led and sales-led onboarding.

* Use the Eureka model for onboarding, which includes three stages: aha moment, activation, and habituation.

* Set clear goals and metrics for onboarding success.

* Create user personas and provide a seamless user experience in onboarding.

The Eureka model for onboarding

The Euroka model includes three stages: 

* The aha moment: the user realizes the value of the product or service

* Activation: activation is when the user takes action to start using the product

* Habituation: habituation is when the user becomes a regular and habitual user of the product

These stages should be thought of as a journey that the user goes through in order to fully engage with and benefit from the product.

Show Notes

* ramlijohn.com

* twitter.com/RamliJohn

* https://www.linkedin.com/in/ramlijohn/

* Product-Led Onboarding book

Timestamps

02:20 - Ramli John's journey into onboarding and expertise in the field

07:30 - The impact of onboarding on customer retention

11:10 - Product-led vs sales-led onboarding: which is better?

14:30 - The Eureka model for onboarding and its three stages

18:20 - Setting goals and metrics for successful onboarding

21:20 - Creating user personas for effective onboarding

25:10 - The importance of a seamless user experience in onboarding

29:00 - Different types of onboarding teams and their responsibilities

35:00 - The role of customer success and marketing teams in onboarding

37:00 - The process of writing a book and the importance of beta readers

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 introduction

1:07 Amanda’s path from chef to content marketer

5:48 Mise en place in content marketing

6:28 How to write amazing Twitter threads

12:44 Repurposing content

18:52 Powerful mental models

25:53 How to grab attention

30:07 How to find your target audience’s pain points

38:41 How to balance work and family

41:45 How Memes fit into content strategy

45:41 Starting vs planning

 

SHOW NOTES

Amanda's website: https://amandanat.com/

Amanda on Twitter: https://twitter.com/amandanat

Sparktoro: https://sparktoro.com/

 

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SHOW NOTES

Eric Siu on Twitter: @ericosiu or https://twitter.com/ericosiu 

Leveling up: https://www.levelingup.com/

Single Grain: https://www.singlegrain.com/

Leveling up NFT: https://heroes.levelingup.com/heroes/

LVMH: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LVMH

TIMESTAMPS

0:00 Intro

1:30 What LVMH is and why you should care

6:26 Arnault Bernard’s growth thesis

7:30 Idea 1 = collaborations with big NFT brands

9:40 Idea 2 = cross and upselling between brands

13:36 Idea 3 = insurance as added service

16:36 Idea 4 = product refurbishing

20:40 Idea 5 = attention M&A

27:20 Idea 6 = gaming skins

32:04 Leveling up

33:35 founder skills

35:10 gamifying life

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Timestamps

0:00 Warmup questions

5:27 Important metrics SEO tools can’t provide

10:20 How will Yep make Ahrefs better?

16:35 The biggest bet Tim took that paid off

20:13 How Ahrefs manages to not run out of keywords to write about

22:28 How to decide when to refresh content

27:06 Is SEO becoming more product than marketing?

33:33 Ahrefs most underutilized feature

40:29 How to differentiate from all the other SEO tools

44:15 The future of SEO tools

49:07 Tim’s secret believe

51:22 The place of social media in today’s marketing

56:23 What Tim wishes for the SEO community

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TIMESTAMPS

2:06 How Trung thinks about what he’s doing

4:20 Trung’s content creation process

7:56 Working on the headline vs. the rest of a story

8:36 How long it takes to write a Twitter thread

10:02 How to add humor to content

12:01 Standup comedy

14:12 How Trung creates memes

18:09 Elon Musk’s tree trunk theory for building knowledge

21:48 Trung’s book recommendations

24:24 The unique benefit of audio content

28:35 The value of anchor content

31:25 Workweek - a new media company

34:19 Monetizing content

35:23 Shopify and equity

 

SHOW NOTES

Asml Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/trungtphan/status/1429464889307762688?lang=en

Imgflip: https://imgflip.com/

Mematic app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.trilliarden.mematic&hl=en_US&gl=US

The Prize by Daniel Yergin: https://bookshop.org/books/the-prize-the-epic-quest-for-oil-money-power/9781439110126

Trung Phan Bloomberg articles: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/authors/AVrHdCE3O1I/trung-phan

Trung on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TrungTPhan?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

SatPost: https://trungtphan.com/subscribe/

Not Investment Advice podcast: 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3r8rBjnMzsdgYC3b1sziwA

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TIMESTAMPS

1:07 The definition of a hustler

2:45 Is “hustle culture” wrong?

9:51 What hustle looks like for Ross day-to-day

11:18 Ross’ schedule and productivity routine

14:09 How Ross runs Foundation Marketing

17:16 How Ross writes break-downs

19:24 Adobe - doing great content marketing

22:04 How to breakthrough content marketing plateaus

25:42 Thinking of Content Marketing as an investment

28:05 Content Marketing Trends

33:46 How to stand out in a content commodity world

37:31 Every SaaS company looks the same

40:43 Advice for anyone who is struggling or broke

 

SHOW NOTES

https://hustleandgrind.co

https://foundationinc.co

https://rosssimmonds.com

https://foundationinc.co/lab/adobes-200-billion-unshakeable-moat/

Convo with peep laja: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b89EefIrt_E

Google Duplex: https://ai.googleblog.com/2018/05/duplex-ai-system-for-natural-conversation.html

Product Hunt: https://www.producthunt.com/

Stand out guide: https://content.rosssimmonds.com/stand-out-guide1

Foundation marketing Adobe case study: https://foundationinc.co/lab/adobes-200-billion-unshakeable-moat/

 

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 Introduction

1:08 Why is it crucial to build an audience

1:53 The best way to build an audience

3:52 The importance of a strategic narrative

8:08 How to build a strategic narrative step-by-step

13:20 The power of category generation

17:48 Serving an underserved niche in a big market

19:37 The Cambrian SaaS explosion

22:50 Building brand salience

25:34 Product Expansion and transient advantages

30:24 How Google is a monopoly and stuck at the same time

33:12 Competing on price

41:00 How to combine messaging and narrative

 

SHOW NOTES

The end of competitive advantage: https://hbr.org/2013/08/the-end-of-competitive-advanta

Wynter: https://wynter.com/

CXL: https://cxl.com/

Peep on Twitter: https://twitter.com/peeplaja

 

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TIMESTAMPS

1:09 SEO guidelines for writers in 2021

7:59 Creativity when writing for SEO

10:43 Mediocre vs. top-notch content briefs

17:00 Content briefs for inhouse vs freelance writers

20:22 How to motivate writers

23:34 How GPT-3 will change the content landscape forever

31:25 How to develop the best piece of content on the web for a certain topic

35:36 What data to put into a content brief

38:55 How machine learning changes the Google search results

41:11 Is there a place for websites in Google’s future?

 

SHOW NOTES

Bill King’s podcast: www.billkingtm.com/podcast

Frase: www.frase.io

GPT 3: https://openai.com/blog/openai-api/

 

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