Tech Policy Grind

This is the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. If you're an old listener, you may have noticed this show has been on hiatus for a while. If you're new here, welcome! We're overjoyed to be back. We're here to bring you fascinating conversations on cutting-edge topics in the internet and technology law and policy space.

I'm Reema Moussa, and I'm a Fellow with the 4th class of ILP Foundry Fellows. Each week, we'll hear from different Fellows as they speak with experts across the field. From government, to the private sector, civil society and academia, and everything in between. Together, we'll learn all about new legal and policy developments in tech to watch out for, emerging technologies and their societal impacts, and the current conversations on the table between the big players in the field.

Now, for today's episode. It's Women's History Month, and diversity, equity, and inclusion is finally working its way into the mainstream within the tech field. However, there's still a lot of work to be done. Particularly, women currently represent only 24% of the cybersecurity workforce.

Today, I sat down with Ayan Islam of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), to talk about diversity, equity, and inclusion in cybersecurity. We discuss the state of diversity in cyber, the implications of the lack of female and other underrepresented groups in the field, and what CISA is doing to make a change.

Additional Notes:

Connect with Ayan Islam on LinkedIn here, and check out these great resources from CISA that we discussed in our chat;

CISA Jobs; https://dhscs.usajobs.gov/

National Initiative For Cybersecurity Careers and Studies; https://niccs.cisa.gov/

Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!

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Hey there listeners, today we prepare for our inevitable robot overlords, and ask the question - if we can't fight em' should we tax tem instead? And really, what do we mean by tax? And for that matter - what do we mean by "robot"?

This is Tech Policy Grind, a podcast from the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. I'm your host, Emory Roane, and today I talked to Nikolas Guggeneberger of the Yale Information Society Project about one proposal to deal with the apparently rapidly approaching wave of automation: taxing businesses that shift to a robotic workforce

Really, the issue is much more subtle than -more so than I realzied, at least - and I'm so glad to have gotten Nikolas on the show to break down exactly how much I didn't know. We also touch on some other ways technologies and government may be able to mitigate the upcoming robot jobacalypse, and Nikolas offers some sage advice for breaking into the tech-law field, even when that means traveling to the other side of the world.

I had an awesome time talking with Nikolas today, and I'm pretty sure you wonderful nerds out there will enjoy this, too. If you do (or if you don't, I suppose) you can let us know on twitter @techpolicygrind. Another big announcement: applications are STILL OPEN for the next class of fellows at the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. I've had a few of you folks reach out already, but if you want to get involved with teh foundry, if you're an early career professional or a student - I hope we see your application! You can apply at ilpfoundry.us/join/ and applications will be open until April 30th. Again, that's ilpfoundry.us/join/ applications are open until April 30th! Do it! Foundry fellows set the strategy and run the operations of the foundry, and do cool projects like this podcast!

All right, announcements over, let's get to the question at hand: should we tax our overlords?

Hey there listeners, this is Tech Policy Grind, the show where we hammer out the latest in tech law and policy with the folks at the forefront of that space, and today, we have such a treat.

Let's be honest, if you're listening to this show, you've almost certainly read her work over on Gizmodo. Her incredible articles on the Pregnancy Panopticon, how your smart home can spy on you, and recently, what its' like - and whether it's possible - to 'block' the big 5 tech companies from your life - are some of, if not the best pieces of journalism out there on consumer technology privacy issues.

Our guest is, of course, is Kashmir Hill, senior writer at Gizmodo Media Group's Special Projects Desk, and a self described canary in the coal mine for bad consumer technology privacy issues. This week we get to talk about lessons she learned from Blocking the Big 5, the state of consumer privacy protections in the US, and her journey from blogging at Above the Law to writing with an investigative team at Gizmodo where she gets to work on fascinating stories for months at a time.

My name is Emory Roane, this is still a podcast from the Internet Law and Policy Foundry, and we are so glad to bring you along with us. And good news! Applications are currently open for the next class of fellows at the ILPF. Foundry fellows are early career professionals and students who set the strategy and run the operation of the Foundry, and do cool projects like this podcast that you're listening to right now! I've had awesome opportunities and met incredible colleagues through the foundry. Applications are open until April 30th, so go check it out and submit yours at ilpfoundry.us/join. You can follow the show on twitter @techpolicygrind, and you can find me on twitter at @emoryroane.

So, with the introductions behind us, let's start the show.

Hey, you're listening to Tech Policy Grind, a podcast from the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. My name is Emory Roane, and today it's another foray into privacy - or more specifically, the International Association of Privacy Professionals.

This time, with Angelique Carson - editor of The Privacy Advisor and host of The excellent (and far more popular) Privacy Advisor Podcast over at the IAPP. If you're not already subscribed to her show you'll definitely want to check it out - and if you're joining us from the Privacy Advisor - welcome! On our show we also dive into the legal weedsy, often (but not exclusively) privacy issues at the forefront of tech policy, with a focus on the early career professionals paving the way in the field.

Today, with Joe Jerome, we talk about the latest trends in privacy; Angelique's near decade with the IAPP and work on the Privacy Advisor; and trade stories of podcasting ups, downs and protips. If you enjoy this episode as much as we enjoyed making it, let us know on twitter @techpolicygrind and maybe tell a friend!

And most importantly, if you're a student interested in, or an early career professional already working in tech policy, and you haven't applied for the next class of fellows at the Internet Law and Policy Foundry, what are you waiting for? run, don't walk to your nearest internet device (it's probably in your hand or nearby) and then immediately go to ilpfoundry.us/join! We're accepting applications now until April 30th, and we want to see yours! I've had an awesome time with the Foundry and have met some amazing colleagues. Highly recommend, 10 out of 10.

Okay, the preliminaries are out of the way, let's get right into it, I'll see you in about 35 minutes, until then enjoy this chat with the Privacy Advisors very own Angelique Carson.

Hey, you're listening to Tech Policy Grind, a podcast from the Internet Law and Policy Foundry where we hammer out the latest, at the intersection of law and technology.

My name is Emory Roane, and Today, Joe Jerome joins us as we talk to Fred Jennings, Associate Corporate Counsel at GitHub, about bug bounty programs, the pitfalls businesses need to keep in mind when setting up bug bounty programs of their own, and the challenges and highs of working at one the coolest Microsoft acquisition yet, right? Seriously though, Github is an awesome company and I hope you enjoy this peek into what its like working in house at a tech company that's managed to grow to more than 30 million active users while still sticking to its open source heart and soul.

Before we jump into this chat, though, I hope you're keeping your eye on the Internet Law and Policy Foundry twitter @ilpfoundry and our website at ilpfoundry.us - applications for the 2019 Class of Fellows will go LIVE this Friday, March 15th, and we'll be accepting applications until late April. Students, early career professionals, folks in the tech, law and policy space - I hope we see your application! I've had some incredible opportunities and have met awesome friends and colleagues through the Foundry, so what are you waiting for?

All right, with all that said, you know the drill - enjoy this chat with Fred Jennings, Associate Corporate Counsel at Github.

Hey there listeners! Sorry about last week - we had some technical issues that are... well, actually they're not at all sorted out yet. Pour one out for the old editing PC because that poor machine is dead. But! After editing this entire episode with a mousepad and recording this intro from my closet - we have a really special episode for you.

You're listening to Tech Policy Grind, the podcast from the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. My name is Emory Roane, and today we're bringing you a conversation I was lucky to have with Mary Stone Ross, one of the original coauthors of the ballot initiative that became the California Consumer Privacy Act. In this winding conversation, we talk about debunking common CCPA myths, why privacy rights are so essential right now, and what it takes for a CIA analyst to turn privacy advocate!

I say this about every conversation, I'm sure, but i had a great time talking with Mary Stone Ross, and I hope you will too. I can't promise we'll stop talking about the CCPA after this episode, but if you enjoyed last season's wonky dive into one of the most exciting privacy laws in the country (god I'm such a nerd) - well, stick around!

Before we head off back to the State of the Net 2019, where we recorded this conversation, I have some exciting news! The Internet Law and Policy Foundry will be accepting applications for our next class of Fellows, starting next week! Stay tuned to the Foundry twitter @ilpfoundry for more information, but expect the application to go live on March 15th, and the final date to submit your application will be April 30th. If you're a Student or Emerging professional, or have a tech law and policy background, I hope we see your application! The Foundry is a collection of early career professionals trying to pave their way in the tech law and policy world. I've met some incredible people, friends and colleagues, and it's given me some awesome opportunities.

All right, now back to the wonkiness: Please sit back and enjoy this deep dive into the California Consumer Privacy Act with coauthor Mary Stone Ross, at State of the Net, 2019.

Did you know that a little over a week ago the European Union decided to move forward with their latest proposed updates to the EU Copyright Directive, which includes requirements for websites to affirmatively scan for copyrighted content - it's been just about universally lambasted as internet-destroyingly awful - but all signs indicate that the EU is barreling ahead with it. Well, we're not going to talk about *that* today, but something else that's just around the corner in the EU, and is *EVEN WORSE*. It's generically called "terrorist content regulation" and it's Article 13 on steroids, at least according to our guest today. My name is Emory Roane, and you're listening to Tech Policy Grind, a podcast from the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. This is another conversation recorded at State of the Net 2019 - this time with the Director of Intermediary Liability at The Center for Internet and Society at Stanford, Daphne Keller. @daphnehk

I had a great time talking with Daphne, and I think you'll enjoy this dive into some of the biggest NON-PRIVACY issues facing the internet (I swear there's no privacy talk in this episode at all (or hardly at all))- from the already mentioned terrorist content regulation to the question of whether or not Twitter is - or should be - considered the modern day public square, and what that means for free speech and censorship.

I'm going to get right into it, but don't forget to follow us on twitter at @techpolicygrind, as well as the Internet Law and Policy Foundry at @ilpfoundry - we'll be releasing information soon about applying for the next class of fellows - so all you early career professionals listening, and especially any students out there - stay tuned. Now, I hope you enjoy this conversation with Daphne Keller at State of the Net, 2019.

Hey Listeners, welcome to Tech Policy Grind, a project of the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. My name is Emory Roane, and today should be a treat for privacy nerds out there! This is another conversation brought to you from the floor of State of the Net 2019 - an internet policy conference held each year in Washington D.C.

This is an interview - or really, a "privacy advocates react" to State of the Net - with regular cohost Joe Jerome of the Center for Democracy and Technology, and Lee Tien, senior staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Together, we have a fairly wonky dive into some of the updates and confusion in the California Consumer Privacy Act, and some really interesting discussion about the role predictability should play in policy. We briefly cover the recent Illinois supreme court case Rosenbach v. Six Flags and the importance for the Biometric Information Privacy Act. And of course! We place our bets on whether (or not) we'll see a federal privacy law this year.

Honestly it was a real pleasure for me to get to talk to Lee and bring you along for the conversation. Lee is someone who I aspire to be like, he is a brilliant speaker and an expert in all the coolest areas of law. If you like this, and I hope you do, let us know and follow us on twitter @TechPolicyGrind. With nothing else to introduce, I hope you enjoy this conversation with Lee Tien, at State of the Net, 2019.

Listeners! We're back! Tech Policy Grind has had a long, relaxing (well, not very relaxing) summer... and fall hiatus - but we're back (and if I'm honest and modest)better than ever, and excited to bring you a batch of new interviews with tech policy nerds, for all you tech policy nerds and aspiring nerds out there.

This is Tech Policy Grind, a podcast from the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. Every week - oh yeah, that's a thing now - we'll be releasing new interviews and conversations with folks working at the intersection of law and technology. We'll talk about the fascinating work that they're doing, and the lessons they learned along the way.

This week, we're starting things off with an interview with an FTC Commissioner! We were so, so lucky to talk with Commissioner Rebecca Slaughter this year at State of the Net, 2019.

Listeners from last year may remember that State of the Net is an Internet Policy conference held each year in Washington D.C. by the Internet Education Foundation, the Internet Law and Policy Foundry's parent organization. Over the next few weeks we'll be releasing more interviews from State of the Net where we talked - quite a bit- about privacy - it's kind of a big deal this year. We also talked about platform liability, the California Consumer Privacy Act, and, well, the state of the internet in 2019.

This week, though, we talk about things I know next to nothing about, but that makes it all the more fascinating. Commissioner Slaughter tells us what it's like to go through a government shutdown, and we get a lesson on vertical and horizontal mergers - basically, are we thinking about the harms properly when a Google buys a Whatsapp don't at me - and are we holding these big mergers to account after the fact? Antitrust law, it turns out, is awesome. we also, of course, glean any career lessons we can from the Commissioner, who has some tips on how to find not just a mentor, but a champion.

Don't forget to follow us on twitter, and consider rating and reviewing us on iTunes if you like the show - it means a lot, and can help make this show a sustaining feature of the Internet Law and Policy Foundry.

So! Sit back, or keep doing what you're doing! Keep hustling! it's 2019 - or, 2020 if you're listening to this long after release for some reason. In which case, thank you, you keep doing your thing too, and enjoy a conversation with FTC Commissioner Slaughter at State of the Net 2019.

Hey! You're listening to Tech Policy Grind, and we want to thank you for joining us on this awesome adventure we've been on since launching the show last year. Our release schedule hasn't always been the tightest, our audio quality hasn't always been the most polished, but you've stuck with us as we covered everything from privacy to artificial intelligence, to copyright, to privacy - okay, a lot of privacy talk - but it's been a big year for privacy! Facebook and Cambridge Analytica, The General Data Protection Regulation, more Facebook... Unfortunately Pinal couldn't join us, but today Joe and I are closing out this, the first season of Tech Policy Grind, with a bit of a meandering deep dive into the new California Consumer Protect Act of 2018, YouTube's COPPA problems, and a bit of a retrospective as we look back on almost a year of awesome conversations, and forward to the next.

We're going to be going on a bit of a Summer hiatus for the next few months, but don't let that stop you from reaching out to us on twitter @TechPolicyGrind and letting us know what you think of the show. We'd love to hear your thoughts, and especially any ideas for season 2!

With that, I'll sign off for the summer, bid you all adieu' and best of luck staying cool - enjoy this wonky privacy talk with Joe Jerome and myself, Emory Roane, on Tech Policy Grind.