Teen Trash Talk

Content warning for discussions of violence, specifically gun violence and violence against teens at schools, and discussions of suicide and suicidal ideation.

Heather, Heather, and Heather! Hannah and Kyle fight with nihilism while talking about Heathers, the 80's cult classic starring Winona Ryder and Christian Slater. We love Heathers and think it has a lot say about power dynamics, toxic male behavior, and the struggles of being a young person. But, since this is a trash podcast, we also dig into the Heathers musical and the Heathers inspired Riverdale episode. Listen to our hearts break for Martha and Heather McNamara, praise Lili Reinhardt and Winona Ryder, and argue about JD. It's a lot of fun. BIG FUN!

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It's The Titans vs. Slade in the two-part season 1 finale, The Apprentice. Slade takes advantage of Robin's trust issues and forces him to fight his friends. And Hannah and Kyle are all about it. While not a perfect finale, we love seeing Robin forced to confront the things he likes and doesn't like about himself, and learn to become a better friend in the process. It's hard when there's the voice of a negging boomer in your ear!

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Content warning for discussions of violence throughout, and violence and sexual assault between 56:08-56:58. We discuss the content of The Killing Joke in relation to this episode.

Kyle and Hannah have finally finished Titans. And they’re fighting now because of Krypto. Surprise! Krypto shows up for a hot minute! The season one finale of Titans, Dick Grayson, is definitely a Titans episode: obsessed with meaningless hyper-violence, empty talks of justice, and what’s going on in Dick’s brain. The show is at its best when it focused on Dick Grayson and his struggles to be more than what Batman taught him to be but Dick is never allowed to be anything more than what Batman taught him. Titans is committed to staying in the darkness without recognition of the potential for change or growth outside of some empty platitudes. Ultimately, what Titans is we don’t like. It’s an aggressive, conservative, punitive show that views everyone as committed to being the worst versions of themselves. It does not have time for Dick to do anything other than hurt people, let alone allow him to grow with the other Titans. We’re glad to be done and on to better things!

Also, we saw what Jeremy Renner looked like during his time on Angel. Feel free to see that here. 

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We get a bit wild while talking about the eleventh episode of Teen Titans, Car Trouble. Cyborg and Raven (supposedly) are the center of this episode about Cyborg's love of his car and Raven coming to understand that love. Unfortunately Raven doesn't get as much attention as she should and the episode feels rushed as a result. Too much villain time and not enough heroes being friends time! We make some good Riverdale comparisons though. We sure talk a lot about Riverdale. 

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Even when Titans is alright it’s still its absurd self. Mysteries are revealed in episode 10, Koriand’r. We learn that Kory is an alien! That Rachel’s dad is Trigon, an inter-dimensional demon! You know, things we definitely didn’t know before this episode. For its penultimate episode Titans commits to a Sabrina/Ari Aster knockoff instead of interesting character work or plot developments. We’re not too surprised by this. We get to see how far Angela is willing to go for hot demons. That's something, I guess. 

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We really don't have that much to say about Mad Mod, episode 10 of Teen Titans. It's light, fun, and goofy and not much else. We talk about our experiences with school, generational divides, and why this is a poor follow up to Masks. And we talk about how cool and competent Robin is. Well, one of us does.

Note: At the end of the episode we talk about "The Clinic," a staged reading benefiting the ACLU SoCal and WRRAP to raise funds for reproductive rights. If you're interested you can get tickets here: https://www.gofundme.com/039the-clinic039-staged-reading

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Content Warning: This episode contains discussions of domestic abuse, child abuse, and child sexual abuse. 

If we've had any questions while watching 2018's Titans it's been what have Hawk and Dove been up to since we last saw them. And wow does "Hank and Dawn" answer that question. Hannah and Kyle are pulled into a recap about Hank and Dawn's past trauma and we did not have a good time. Through providing additional details about an unhealthy relationship, the episode flows like a Wikipedia entry that we didn't want to read.  We groan at the authoritative and punitive politics of Titans while wondering how an episode about two side characters got priority over Kory, Gar or Rachel. Seriously, what the hell?!

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Who is Red X? Every Titan but Robin wants to know. While Robin's off trying to find Slade, the rest of the Titans are trying to stop Red X from stealing important tech that Slade wants. Could they be working together? Why is Robin so aloof? Could those be related? Young Kyle and Hannah had very different responses to "Masks" and we dig into why. We talk Slade, trust, and why we're drawn to stories about people making bad decisions. We're also filled with youthful, messy energy so please enjoy us being teens again. 

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We're back! And we're with Donna Troy, Dick Grayson's older, smarter, prettier sister. It's remarkable that Titans has the first live action adaptation of Donna Troy, despite the fact that she's a founding member of the Teen Titans and a key character in Wolfman and Perez's New Teen Titans run. Donna's a great character and a great addition to the show but she can't save Titans. Hannah and Kyle talk about their favorite problematic ships and dive into Titan's commitment to the Gar/Rachel ship. Even Kory gets pulled aboard and we really wish the show would stop. Donna and Kory are great but Titans's problems with pacing, empty violence, and character motivation are greater. Only three episodes left!

Note: We apologize for our use of binary gendered language at the beginning of the pod. We're working on excising it from our vocab but it slipped through. We will be better! We're sorry.

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Yikes! Deep Six, episode 8 of Teen Titans, is a rough one. Despite being written by Marv Wolfman, the writer of the New Teen Titans, the episode is a really shallow interrogation of insecurity and competitive behaviors. We start off by asking if we've ever been jealous of someone and immediately turn on each other. We then turn to Aqualad's lack of characterization. Why do the girls like him? Why is Beast Boy jealous? Why is this episode so boring? Who's to say?  

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