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Jon Seaton is a national political strategist who is one of Sam's former business partners.  They discuss politicians in terms of cowboys and eggheads, and Jon's philosophy of business. 

Sam does his best to derail who he describes as the hardest working man in show business. 

They demonstrate their quarrelsome yet favorable relationship, Jon's favorite client Senator John McCain and why he was understood by the American public.  Sam asks Jon some of the dynamics of Senator McCain's personality and his relationship with former Secretary Chuck Hagel , Senator Lindsey Graham, and now President Joe Biden. 

Finally they talk about the ever changing egghead tactic of polling in elections, and how it has changed over the years.

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