That Tech Pod

In this episode of That Tech Pod, Laura and Kevin sit down with Chad Gold, CFO of Fullstory and former finance leader at G2 and Salesloft, for a candid conversation about what finance leadership actually looks like in today’s SaaS market.

Chad breaks down how the CFO role has evolved as the industry shifts away from growth-at-all-costs and toward profitability, operational discipline, and measurable efficiency. He shares what private equity ownership changes behind the scenes, including tighter reporting expectations, faster accountability cycles, and a sharper focus on margin performance. The conversation also cuts through the noise around AI spending. Chad gives a practical finance perspective on which AI investments are creating real operational leverage versus which ones are simply expensive experiments designed to satisfy boardroom pressure. Along the way, he explains the metrics that matter most now compared to five years ago, where companies risk overcorrecting on cost-cutting, and how SaaS leaders can balance innovation with long-term value creation.

If you want an honest look at how modern CFOs evaluate technology, efficiency, and growth in a tougher market, this episode delivers it.

Chad Gold is the Chief Financial Officer at Fullstory, where he leads finance and helps guide the company’s growth and operational strategy. He brings a strong track record from high-growth SaaS companies, having previously served as CFO at G2 and Salesloft, where he supported rapid scaling and value creation. Across these roles, he has developed a practical perspective on how finance leaders evaluate technology investments, particularly around AI, with a focus on driving efficiency, improving margins, and aligning cost discipline with customer experience.

This week on That Tech Pod, Kevin and Laura talk with David Turner, Global Leader of Data & Analytics and Co-Leader of AI at FTI Consulting, about what it really means to operate at the center of data, AI, and high-stakes problem solving.

David’s career path might look straightforward, from Arthur Andersen to Capital One and then more than two decades at FTI, but he explains it was less about a master plan and more about finding the right environments and teams. Consulting, for him, became the place where he could continuously solve new, complex problems, often stepping in when companies are facing moments that feel existential.

The conversation dives into AI quickly, cutting through the hype. David focuses on what actually works: real use cases, hands-on experience, and teams actively experimenting with tools. His view is that AI isn’t something you can understand from a slide deck. It’s a skill you build by using it, and the companies moving fastest are the ones sharing what’s working internally. One of the biggest themes is how AI is reshaping the economics of consulting. If technology compresses time to insight, what happens to the billable hour? David doesn’t see a clean break, but he does see a shift. Expertise becomes more valuable, and firms will need to get more creative with pricing, blending traditional models with outcome-based approaches depending on the work. They also spend time on risk, shaped in part by David’s early experience during the collapse of Arthur Andersen. That moment reinforced that no firm is immune, and it continues to influence how he balances innovation with caution, especially in today’s AI-driven environment. This is a grounded look at where AI is actually making an impact and where the real challenges still are.

David Turner is the Global Leader of Data and Analytics and Co-Leader of AI at FTI Consulting, and now serves as the firm’s Chief Technology Officer for client-facing technology. He works with executive teams on high-stakes challenges across investigations, litigation, compliance, and corporate transformation, helping organizations turn data into a real asset using advanced analytics and responsible AI. Over the course of his career, he’s advised Fortune 500 companies, global law firms, and public sector clients, and has played a key role in shaping FTI’s approach to AI and client-facing solutions.

Coming off the Bitcoin 2026 conference in Las Vegas, Laura and Kevin sit down with Eliézer Ndinga, the Global Head of Research at 21Shares, a Switzerland-based financial services company that issues cryptocurrency exchange-traded products, to unpack what they heard, what actually matters, and what’s still just noise.

We get into Eli’s background and how he’s been navigating the intersection of crypto, infrastructure, and real-world adoption, then use that lens to pressure test some of the biggest themes coming out of the conference. Where is the signal versus the hype? What felt different this year compared to prior cycles? And what are people still getting wrong?

The conversation moves from big-picture trends into more practical territory. We talk about where institutional interest is real versus performative, how regulation is shaping behavior behind the scenes, and what it actually looks like for companies trying to build in this space right now. Eli shares where he’s seeing momentum, where things are stuck, and what he’s personally paying attention to over the next 12–18 months. We then spend time on the human side of all of this. How do you build conviction in a space that constantly resets the narrative? What separates people who stick around and compound knowledge from those who chase cycles? And how should someone adjacent to crypto be thinking about getting involved without getting burned?

Eliézer Ndinga is the Global Head of Research at 21Shares, where he leads the firm’s efforts to analyze digital asset markets, blockchain innovation, and the evolving role of crypto in global finance. A founding team member who joined in 2020, he has played a key role in shaping the company’s research perspective as it grew into one of the world’s largest issuers of crypto exchange-traded products. Eli is known for connecting the technical foundations of blockchain with real-world applications across enterprises, financial systems, and emerging technologies like DeFi and tokenization. His work focuses on identifying where digital assets are gaining meaningful traction, how regulatory shifts are influencing adoption, and where the next wave of growth is likely to emerge.

Today's episode starts off with an enthusiastic push to adopt dogs, spotlighting Tonka, a sweet, cuddly miniature pit bull from the Colleton County Animal Shelter. Despite a cosmetic leg issue, he’s healthy, great with other animals, and in need of a home. Laura makes a passionate case for adoption or fostering, even joking about personally arranging transport. It’s a genuine reminder that there are a lot of great dogs out there that need homes so adopt a dog!

The conversation then gets serious turning to David Matalon, who breaks down the uncomfortable reality of modern work: remote and distributed teams are here to stay, but most companies haven’t actually solved how to secure them. The old model, locked-down corporate laptops or clunky VDI setups, doesn’t match how people work today. Employees are constantly moving between personal devices, hotel Wi-Fi, and public networks, often handling sensitive data in ways that leave them far more exposed than they realize.

BYOD sits right at the center of that tension. David's take is that companies have been avoiding the truth for years. You can’t fully control the device anymore, and trying to do so either creates major security gaps or pushes employees to work around restrictions entirely. The shift he describes is toward securing the work itself, not the hardware, using approaches like isolated workspaces that separate professional and personal activity without killing usability. It also becomes critical in the age of AI, where the real risk is employees casually moving sensitive data into personal tools without oversight. Looking ahead, Matalon predicts a pretty clear shift: the idea of company-issued laptops as the default will fade, and BYOD will become the norm. The challenge for organizations isn’t whether this happens, it’s whether they can secure it in a way that actually aligns with how people work.

David Matalon is a five-time founder and the CEO of Venn, where he focuses on helping organizations securely support distributed and remote workforces. With a background spanning virtual desktop infrastructure (VDI), endpoint security, and compliance, he has built and led multiple companies centered on delivering secure application access for modern work environments. At Venn, he introduced Blue Border™, a technology designed to create a secure, IT-controlled workspace on personal devices without sacrificing user experience or relying on traditional VDI. He holds an undergraduate degree from New York University Stern School of Business and a master’s degree from Columbia University.

In this episode, we sit down with Ilan Sherr, VP of Investigations and Regulatory Response at Lineal, to explore how AI is reshaping legal work, investigations, and compliance.

Ilan shares how his background in competition law and regulatory enforcement led him to see early on that reactive approaches weren’t sustainable, pushing him toward building AI-driven methods to identify risk before it escalates. We unpack where organizations really stand on the shift to proactive monitoring, and why many teams are still relying on legacy eDiscovery practices that create inefficiencies and exposure. The conversation also digs into culture. While companies talk about proactive risk detection, those efforts often stall when transparency and accountability become uncomfortable. On the AI front, we tackle a growing question: when does not using AI become a defensibility issue? Ilan offers a practical view on how expectations are evolving and what legal teams should be thinking about now. Finally, we zoom out to strategy. Ilan explains what becomes possible when legal expertise is tightly integrated with data and technology, how that’s changing the role of investigations teams, and why, despite all the innovation, the hardest challenges are still human.

Ilan Sherr is Vice President of Investigations and Regulatory Response at Lineal, where he helps organizations deal with investigations and respond to complex regulatory scrutiny while advancing proactive, AI-enabled risk strategies. An award-winning legal innovator with over 20 years’ experience in competition law, regulatory enforcement, and global compliance, Ilan previously founded and led Aiscension, DLA Piper’s AI-driven risk-management business, recognized for transforming how organizations detect cartel and bribery risks. He has been named in The Lawyer’s Hot 100 and recognized by Legal Week, the Financial Times, and ALM for his work at the intersection of law and AI.

With Tax Day right around the corner, Laura and Kevin take a hard look at a question a lot of high earners quietly avoid: if you’re making great money in tech, why aren’t you actually on track to retire?

Haley Gray, CFP®, joins the pod to break down the gap between income and real wealth. She explains how strong salaries can create a false sense of security, especially when taxes, lifestyle creep, and equity compensation complicate the picture more than people expect. The conversation digs into how rapid income growth subtly reshapes spending habits, often locking people into a higher cost of living before they’ve built a solid financial foundation. Haley also unpacks the realities of equity comp, from RSUs to stock options, and why having too much tied up in one company can create risk that’s easy to overlook when things are going well. With a practical, no-nonsense approach, Haley walks through what “retirement readiness” actually means, how often people should be checking in on their progress, and the moment of truth many face when they finally run the numbers.

The big takeaway: making good money isn’t the same as building wealth. But with a few smart moves, starting now, it’s possible to get on track faster than most people think.

Haley Gray is a CFP® professional and Financial Advisor at Stellarix Group, where she works with professionals in technology and other fast-paced industries to navigate complex financial decisions with clarity and confidence. Her work focuses on retirement planning, tax strategy, and long-term wealth building, with an emphasis on areas that are especially relevant for tech professionals, such as equity compensation, variable income, and concentrated stock positions. Haley brings a modern, practical perspective to financial planning, helping clients simplify complexity and make smarter decisions with their money over time. She is known for her practical, education-first approach, helping clients focus on what actually matters and make confident financial decisions without unnecessary complexity. Her goal is to help clients build strong financial foundations that support both their careers and their long-term goals.

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This week on That Tech Pod, healthcare cybersecurity gets a reality check.  Ed Gaudet, Founder and CEO of Censinet, joins the show to unpack how he found his way into healthcare security and why it became the problem he chose to focus on long term. From there, the conversation moves quickly past surface-level explanations and into where things actually break inside health systems.

It’s not a lack of tools. It’s not a lack of awareness. Ed lays out how leadership gaps, misaligned incentives, and day-to-day operational pressures create the conditions for breaches, even in organizations that believe they’re in good shape. He also shares how he would test that assumption and what signals tell you whether a system is truly secure or just hoping it is. The episode digs into the tension between patient care and security, questioning whether it’s a real constraint or sometimes a convenient reason to avoid harder decisions. On the AI front, Ed separates what’s actually working from what’s getting too much credit, and highlights the parts of a breach that technology alone won’t fix. It wraps with a candid look at the hard truths the industry tends to avoid and what real accountability would look like if organizations took cybersecurity seriously.

Then stick around to the very end for a bonus poem that adds an unexpected close to the conversation.

Ed Gaudet is the Founder and CEO of Censinet, a company focused on healthcare cybersecurity and third-party risk management. With more than 25 years of software and technology leadership experience, Ed has held executive roles spanning product, marketing, and sales at companies including Imprivata, Liquid Machines, IONA Technologies, Rational Software, and SQA, Inc. At Imprivata, he served as CMO and later business unit GM, leading the creation of Imprivata Cortext, a cloud-based clinical communications platform recognized as best-in-KLAS. Ed holds multiple patents in mobile authentication, secure content sharing, and distributed data management, and he is a recognized speaker on leadership, healthcare, and regulatory compliance. 

On this week's episode of That Tech Pod, we sit down with Michel Langlois, a longtime engineering leader whose career spans the rise of modern networking, from scaling Cisco’s IOS platform to leading as CTO at Calix. He joins us to cut through the noise around AI in network security and talk about what’s actually happening under the hood.

We get into how AI is actually being used inside modern networks, replacing work that once depended on experienced engineers, and where it’s truly improving operations versus where it’s still overhyped. That naturally raises the bigger question: is AI making network engineers better, or starting to replace parts of the role? We also explore the growing risk to telecom and broadband infrastructure, how exposed access networks really are, and whether the industry is taking those threats seriously enough, along with whether AI is reducing alert fatigue or just creating smarter noise. To close, Michel shares lessons from decades of building and leading engineering teams, including how to keep AI efforts focused on real outcomes instead of endless experimentation, and what it takes to actually bring these technologies into production at scale.

Michel Langlois has spent nearly four decades at the center of network innovation, helping scale some of the most important software platforms in modern connectivity. At Cisco Systems, he helped build and lead the global IOS engineering organization as the company grew from a $1B business to more than $40B. At Juniper Networks, he overhauled Junos software development to improve speed, quality, and scale. And during a decade as CTO at Calix, he helped reshape the company’s product strategy and engineering culture, contributing to a fourfold increase in revenue and a tenfold jump in market cap.
Today, Langlois advises CEOs and boards during key growth inflection points, helping companies scale without breaking their engineering core. A Forbes Tech Council contributor and author of the Amazon bestseller Beyond the Code, he focuses on the intersection of AI-driven networking, cloud transformation, and organizational design.

This week Laura and Kevin sit down with Bruno Lecoq, CEO of BEMO, to talk about the reality of cybersecurity for small and mid-sized defense contractors. Bruno shares how he ended up leading a cybersecurity company and why smaller organizations, especially those connected to the defense supply chain, have become some of the most attractive targets for attackers. The conversation challenges the common belief that hackers only focus on big-name companies and instead explains what’s actually happening on the ground for organizations with 50 to 100 employees.  

From there, we dig into the difference between security theater and real protection. Bruno explains why fear-driven compliance advice often leads companies to spend more money without meaningfully reducing risk, who benefits from that cycle, and where organizations tend to invest in tools that look impressive but don’t actually stop breaches. We also get into practical issues leaders overlook, like admin access and identity controls, which are often the simplest path into a company network. We wrap with a candid look at real-world constraints. If a company passes every audit but still gets breached, what does that say about compliance frameworks like CMMC, SOC 2, and NIST SP 800-171? And looking ahead, Bruno weighs in on what’s more likely to cause damage over the next five years: sophisticated AI-powered attacks or companies continuing to ignore the basic security controls that stop most breaches today.

Bruno Lecoq is the CEO of BEMO and a trusted voice in cybersecurity compliance for US-based small and mid-sized defense contractors. He works hands-on with business owners, IT leaders, and executives to turn complex regulatory frameworks into practical, achievable compliance outcomes. With deep expertise across CMMC, SOC 2, ISO 27001, HIPAA, and NIST 800, Bruno is known for his calm, implementation-first approach. Rather than promoting fear or over-engineered solutions, he helps organizations align compliance requirements with the tools, processes, and systems they already use, particularly within Microsoft environments.

In this special Legalweek recap episode Laura and Kevin unpack everything that stood out at Legalweek 2026 in New York. This year’s conference felt different from the start. For the first time in decades, Legalweek moved from the Hilton to the Javits Center, giving the event a much larger, more energetic feel and bringing together thousands of lawyers, technologists, and legal operations professionals to talk about where legal tech is heading next.

A big theme throughout the week was the shift from AI hype to real-world use. Vendors and practitioners alike are moving past the early experimentation phase and focusing on how artificial intelligence actually fits into litigation workflows, document review, and investigations. Kevin and Laura share what they heard on the conference floor about the changing eDiscovery market, and how the growing complexity of legal matters is increasing the value of experienced teams alongside new technology. 

The episode features conversations with industry leaders including Joey Seeber of Level Legal and Bryant Gauthier of PLUSnxt, who share their perspectives on where AI is genuinely helping legal teams and where expectations still outpace reality. We also pulled aside Dan Bellopede from Mitratech for a quick chat on his thoughts on the conference. Along the way, we cover the lighter side of the conference: creative booth marketing, the surprisingly weak swag this year, the parties and the conversations that make Legalweek as much about relationships as technology.

If you couldn’t make it to Legalweek this year, this episode offers a candid look at what people were really talking about, what trends actually matter, and how the legal tech industry may be evolving heading into the next year.