In this episode of Conversations, we’re diving into a truth that many leaders miss: while the church isn’t a startup, it still demands structure, systems, and strategy.

Drawing from over a decade of ministry leadership and business experience, I unpack why the Holy Spirit isn’t opposed to order—and how building healthy, sustainable churches requires more than fire and passion.

You’ll learn:

Why spiritual momentum dies without structure

The difference between relying on superstars vs. servant teams

How systems protect your people and sustain your mission

What clarity and simplicity do for discipleship

And how to build momentum that doesn’t burn out your team

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Website: https://joshandrew.org/

If you’ve ever felt torn between “being led by the Spirit” and “leading with strategy,” this one’s for you. Let’s build churches that last.