What does real leadership growth look like? 

In this episode of the Rise Leadership Podcast, Dr. Jeremy Dixon and Phil McMichael sit down with executive coach Ben Cashion to talk about the three critical jumps leaders must make as they grow: becoming a five-star contributor, learning to lead as a builder manager, and stepping into enterprise leadership. 

Ben shares practical insight from years of coaching CEOs and high-capacity leaders, including why promotions don’t always equal readiness, how leaders get stuck when they keep doing instead of leading, and what healthy career progression really looks like. He also brings the conversation into the church context, showing how these same principles apply to volunteers, team leaders, and coaches. 

This episode will help you recognize where you are, what skills you need next, and how to grow with humility, clarity, and purpose. 

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