When I was invited to talk about third places at the WRLDCTY Conference in Spain, I first said that I couldn’t travel this autumn and that I wasn’t willing to speak by Zoom, after the awful experience I had with a Zoom panel for the New Jersey Futures conference. Talking about third places should be face to face, I said. The organizers of WRLDCTY were amazing: they found a colleague with a home in Great Barrington who would interview me, and then arranged for a videographer to meet us at Lake Mansfield. That film is in their hands now. I made this short recording on my own computer, using Zoom, after walking home from the interview, to capture the points I’d just explained to Steven Pedigo when we were sitting up by Lake Mansfield.

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