The Economist correspondent Tom Gardner discusses with host Arif Rafiq the enigma that is Ethiopia's prime minister Abiy Ahmed, who would preside over a civil war roughly a year after being awarded a Nobel Peace Prize.

The conversation is wide-ranging and covers Abiy's childhood, the role of religion in his life, his rise through the Ethiopian system, his transition from revered to reviled, and his relationship with great and regional powers, including including China, the United States, and the United Arab Emirates.

Gardner is the author of "The Abiy Ahmed Project," newly published by Hurst: https://amzn.to/4cCBRsv (US); https://amzn.to/3xNK1iG (UK).

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