Blake and David examine Bench's bankruptcy filing, revealing fascinating details about their spending patterns and challenges with the business model. They also explore venture capital's growing interest in accounting firms, particularly focusing on AI automation claims and their potential impact on the profession, and there's a lively discussion about JP Morgan's controversial return-to-office mandate and its implications for workplace flexibility, sparked by Blake's viral tweet that garnered nearly 5 million views.

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• (01:23) - Bench Accounting Bankruptcy Deep Dive

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Blake and David dive into major industry news, including Ohio ending the 150-hour CPA rule, setting a potential precedent for other states. They also discuss the Blackston acquisition of Citrin Cooperman and explore the implications of private equity involvement in accounting firms. Moving on, they examine workplace trends, including new data revealing that 61% of medium and large employers now require minimum in-office days, and debate the effectiveness of Net Promoter Scores (NPS) in accounting firms.

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• (01:03) - Private Equity in Accounting Firms

Show Notes

Return-to-office policies gain steam

https://www.cfo.com/news/return-to-office-policies-gain-steam-remote-work-hybrid-wtw-resume-org/735710

Citrin Cooperman, a Leading Professional Services Firm, to Receive Significant Investment as Blackstone Acquires Stake from New Mountain Capital

https://www.blackstone.com/news/press/citrin-cooperman-a-leading-professional-services-firm-to-receive-significant-investment-as-blackstone-acquires-stake-from-new-mountain-capital/

Ohio is the first state to end the 150-hour rule for CPA licensure

https://www.blakeoliver.com/blog/ohio-first-state-to-end-the-150-hour-rule-for-cpa-licensure

Ohio gov signs alternative CPA licensure pathway bill into law

https://www.cfodive.com/news/ohio-gov-signs-alternative-cpa-licensure-pathway-bill-law-accounting-aicpa/736942/

Thomson Reuters Acquires SafeSend, Expanding Tax Automation Capabilities

https://www.thomsonreuters.com/en/press-releases/2025/january/thomson-reuters-acquires-safesend-expanding-tax-automation-capabilities.html

Xero Partners with Gusto to Offer Integrated Payroll Solution

https://www.wellesleyhillsfinancial.com/2025/01/05/xero-partners-with-gusto-to-offer-integrated-payroll-solution/

Sync your transactions to QuickBooks Desktop with Ramp's direct integration

https://ramp.com/integrations/quickbooks-desktop

Hindenburg Research short on used-car retailer Carvana

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/hindenburg-research-short-used-car-retailer-carvana-2025-01-02/

Enforcement Activity Involving Auditors – 2024 Mid-Year Update

https://www.brattle.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Enforcement-Activity-Involving-Auditors-2024-Mid-Year-Update.pdf

Amid Barely ‘Average’ Client Satisfaction, Why Aren’t More Firms Using NPS to Improve?

https://insidepublicaccounting.com/2024/07/16/amid-barely-average-client-satisfaction-why-arent-more-firms-using-nps-to-improve/

The federal government just got the greenlight to sell $6.5 billion in Bitcoin seized from Silk Road

https://fortune.com/crypto/2025/01/09/federal-government-allowed-sell-bitcoin-silk-road-courts/

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Blake and David explore the controversial H-1B visa program's impact on the accounting profession, particularly how firms like Deloitte reportedly pay visa holders 10% less than U.S. workers and the potential implications for audit quality. They also examine Bench's sudden shutdown and subsequent acquisition and then discuss Barry Melancon's farewell interview with the Financial Times as he steps down as AICPA CEO, where he defended the 150-hour rule, his legacy, and his impact on the profession.

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Robert Sterling – Twitter - H-1B DATA MEGA-THREAD

https://x.com/RobertMSterling/status/1873174358535110953

Deloitte employees with H-1B visas were paid 10% less than US workers, report finds

https://www.hrdive.com/news/deloitte-employees-with-h-1b-visas-were-paid-10-less-than-us-workers/735162/

Bench to be acquired after abruptly shutting down

https://techcrunch.com/2024/12/30/bench-to-be-acquired-after-abruptly-shutting-down/

‘Most important man in accounting’ warns against lowering standards

https://www.ft.com/content/033792af-18e4-4d69-92f9-5b78b01f2012

Meet Willow, our state-of-the-art quantum chip

https://blog.google/technology/research/google-willow-quantum-chip/

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Rounding out 2024, Blake and David tackle tons of accounting news, including bookkeeping startup Bench's shutdown and the ongoing BOI reporting requirements saga. They also examine concerns about IRS Commissioner nominee Billy Long's credentials, including his "Certified Tax and Business Advisor" designation from a three-day seminar. Wrapping up, they review some of 2024's hottest stories, including declining CPA candidates, audit quality issues, and KPMG CEO Paul Knopp's Wall Street Journal op-ed about the "dying language of accounting."

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• (01:36) - Beneficial Ownership Information Reporting (BOI)

Show Notes

Bench shuts down, leaving thousands of businesses without access to accounting and tax docs

https://techcrunch.com/2024/12/27/bench-shuts-down-leaving-thousands-of-businesses-without-access-to-accounting-and-tax-docs/

New York tax preparer called ‘the Magician’ charged for tax fraud of $145m

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/17/new-york-magician-tax-fraud

Billy Long, Trump’s Nominee to Lead the IRS, Touts a Credential That Tax Experts Say Is Dubious

https://www.propublica.org/article/billy-long-irs-trump-certified-tax-business-advisor-missouri

How a Consulting Firm and Trump’s I.R.S. Pick Pushed a Problematic Tax Credit

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/24/business/billy-long-irs-tax-credit.html

The Dying Language of Accounting

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-dying-language-of-accounting-cpa-licensing-fede2e74

CPAs Deliberate on the Decline of Accounting

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/cpas-deliberate-on-the-demise-of-accounting-kpmg-business-language-c0be3e68

Most Americans say a salary of $270K deems financial success

https://www.cfo.com/news/most-americans-say-salary-of-270k-deems-financial-success-gen-z-boomers-inflation/734019/

CFPB Sues Walmart and Branch Messenger for Illegally Opening Deposit Accounts for More Than One Million Delivery Drivers

https://www.consumerfinance.gov/about-us/newsroom/cfpb-sues-walmart-and-branch-messenger-for-illegally-opening-deposit-accounts-for-more-than-one-million-delivery-drivers/

Lyft Accuses San Francisco of $100 Million Tax Overcharge

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-24/lyft-accuses-san-francisco-of-overcharging-100-million-in-taxes

IRS announces special payments going this month to 1 million taxpayers who did not claim 2021 Recovery Rebate Credit; encourages non-filers about approaching deadline to claim credits

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-announces-special-payments-going-this-month-to-1-million-taxpayers-who-did-not-claim-2021-recovery-rebate-credit-encourages-non-filers-about-approaching-deadline-to-claim-credits

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Blake, David, and special guest ChatGPT examine the impact of private equity on accounting firms, looking at how PE ownership affects compensation and firm structures. They dig into recent data showing record numbers of accounting errors in public companies, linking these issues to the broader talent shortage crisis. They explore CalCPA's pushback against proposed licensing changes, the surprising economic costs of Daylight Savings Time, and more.
 

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• (00:59) - Introducing ChatGPT as Co-Host

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Accounting errors force US companies to pull statements in record numbers

https://www.ft.com/content/716c4ad5-e8fa-4a34-afba-9fb2d1db019d

Republican lawmakers ask Trump to kill IRS Direct File

https://www.nextgov.com/digital-government/2024/12/republican-lawmakers-ask-trump-kill-irs-direct-file/401595/

IRIS to buy Dext in £500m deal

https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/tech/accounting-software/iris-to-buy-dext-in-ps500m-deal

How Private Funds Could Hurt Americans Under Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/03/opinion/trump-presidency-billionaires.html

LegalZoom and 1-800Accountant Join Forces to Deliver Full-Service Tax and Bookkeeping Solutions for Small Business Owners

https://investors.legalzoom.com/news-releases/news-release-details/legalzoom-and-1-800accountant-join-forces-deliver-full-service

Zoho Releases New Payroll Solution in the U.S.

https://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/2024/12/13/zoho-releases-new-payroll-solution-in-the-u-s/152935/

BILL Unveils 1099 Form Filing Solution for SMBs

https://investor.bill.com/news/news-details/2024/BILL-Unveils-1099-Form-Filing-Solution-for-SMBs/default.aspx

Is Enron back? Here’s what we know … 

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/trending/article/is-enron-back-houston-19953844.php

CalCPA Submits Comments on Exposure Draft on CPA Licensure

https://www.calcpa.org/whats-happening/articles/calcpa-submits-comments-on-exposure-draft-on-cpa

CEOs Want Trump to Change Course on Tariffs. He Isn’t Budging.

https://www.wsj.com/economy/trade/trump-tariff-plan-business-lobbying-8f02ccea

Donald Trump vows to end daylight saving time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDR1IURzO1Q

More Than a Lost Hour of Sleep: The True Cost of Daylight Saving Time

https://www.chmura.com/blog/dst#:~:text=our%20methodology%20below.-,Results,was%20approximately%20%24672.02%20million%20annually

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Blake and David take a look at several significant developments in the accounting world, including Trump's controversial IRS Commissioner nomination of former Congressman Billy Long. They also dig into updates on the Macy's accounting scandal and explore Square's potential move into accounting software with their new head of Product Accounting Solutions hire. They also share insights from the AICPA's 2024 CAS benchmark survey showing significant growth in client accounting services practices and much more!

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• (00:28) - Welcome to The Accounting Podcast

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He Promised Huge Tax Refunds. Now Trump Wants Him to Lead the I.R.S.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/06/us/politics/billy-long-trump-irs-tax-credit.html

Brainsky Unleashed (Instagram) – Billy Long – December 6, 2024

https://www.instagram.com/brainskyunleashed/reel/DDQS_GjRn4P/

Macy’s employee who hid $151 million in delivery expenses was trying to mask initial mistake, sources say

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/11/macys-m-earnings-q3-2024.html

Macy’s Probe Found Employee Acted Alone in $151 Million Accounting Scandal

https://www.wsj.com/business/retail/macys-m-q3-earnings-report-2024-c7363662

LinkedIn – Andy Schwartz – Profit Labs Update – December 6, 2024

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/andy-schwartz-233b359_profit-labs-update-i-am-excited-to-share-activity-7269157016051298305-rYAW/

Amazon integrates QuickBooks for sellers

https://www.accountingtoday.com/news/amazon-integrates-intuit-quickbooks

AICPA and CPA.com Benchmark Survey: CAS Practices Report 17% Growth

https://insidepublicaccounting.com/2024/12/09/aicpa-and-cpa-com-benchmark-survey-cas-practices-report-17-growth/

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Congratulations to Blake for making Accounting Today's Top 100 Most Influential People list!  Today, Blake and David dig into several significant developments in accounting, including a federal court's decision to block BOI reporting nationwide. They also examine which of the 57% of accounting firms plan to raise fees in 2025 and take a look at the AICPA's Experience Learn and Earn (ELE) program. There's also talk about new PCAOB reporting requirements for audit firms and the recent acquisition of Dext by Iris Software Group.

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• (00:31) - Celebrating Achievements and Social Media Impact

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Accounting Today - The 2024 Top 100 Most Influential People https://arizent.brightspotcdn.com/c3/0f/2649ee17493eab95634bbc91f5f7/top-100-most-influential-people-updated.pdf

Federal Court Enjoins Enforcement of the CTA Nationwide; Reporting Companies “Need Not Comply” with January 1 Deadline

https://natlawreview.com/article/texas-federal-court-blocks-corporate-transparency-act-halts-nationwide-enforcement

Survey Says 57% of Firms Are Raising Prices Next Year

https://cpatrendlines.com/2024/11/14/survey-says-57-of-firms-are-raising-prices-next-year/

Experience, Learn, and Earn
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Expanded Access Now Available for AICPA-NASBA ELE Program

https://nasba.org/blog/2024/11/15/expanded-access-aicpa-nasba-ele-program/

Texas Judge Tosses Biden Overtime Expansion for Millions

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/overtime-expansion-for-4-million-workers-tossed-by-texas-judge

Follow up to the "AICPA is illegally hiding salary info on job postings". After several emails, I convinced them to comply with the law

https://www.reddit.com/r/Accounting/comments/1g0ib4z/follow_up_to_the_aicpa_is_illegally_hiding_salary/

PCAOB Adopts Auditor Performance Metrics, Increased Firm Reporting Rules https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/news/pcaob-adopts-auditor-performance-metrics-increased-firm-reporting-rules

Critics see chance to close down US audit regulator under Trump

https://www.ft.com/content/e9a7247f-84fd-4df7-8163-6518954470e9

Macy’s says employee hid up to $154 million in expenses, delaying Q3 earnings

https://apnews.com/article/macys-accounting-quarter-b1cb0927d9b6a58ee4396838df7973c9

KPMG Survey: AI Adoption Across US Finance Functions Reaches Highest Levels, with ROI Exceeding Expectations

https://kpmg.com/us/en/media/news/ai-adoption-across-us-finance-functions-reaches-highest-levels.html

IRIS Software Group Announces Intent to Acquire Dext Software Ltd.

https://dext.com/us/iris-announces-intent-to-acquire-dext

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Blake and David examine the mysteries and motives surrounding the recent Macy's accounting scandal, where a single employee allegedly concealed $132-154 million through improper accrual entries. They also examine Trump's proposed 25% tariff plan on imports from Mexico and Canada (plus an additional 10% on China), discussing its potential impact on American businesses and consumers.
 

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• (00:46) - Macy's Accounting Error: Breaking News

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Macy’s says employee hid up to $154 million in expenses, delaying Q3 earnings

https://apnews.com/article/macys-accounting-quarter-b1cb0927d9b6a58ee4396838df7973c9

Macy’s says accountant hid as much as $154M in expenses

https://www.cfodive.com/news/macys-says-accountant-hid-as-much-as-154m-in-expenses-retail-retailing-consumers/733960/

UPS to Pay $45 Million SEC Penalty Over Improper Valuation

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ups-hit-45-million-penalty-144424675.html

Strippers, Christmas gifts and an RV: Workers push it with company cards

https://abcdpf.livemint.com/industry/strippers-christmas-gifts-and-an-rv-workers-push-it-with-company-cards-11732157906943.html

Ex-Jaguars employee who stole $22 million from team files lawsuit against FanDuel

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5809925/2024/10/01/jaguars-lawsuit-fanduel-amit-patel/

Trump's Truth Social tariffs pledge is a teachable moment for America

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-truth-social-tariffs-deportation-thanksgiving-rcna182079

What does Trump’s latest tariff plan mean for the U.S.?

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-does-trumps-latest-tariff-plan-mean-for-the-u-s

Walmart CFO Says They Don't Want To Raise Prices, But 'Prices Will Go Up For Consumers' Due To Upcoming Tariffs

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/walmart-cfo-says-dont-want-161640110.html

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Blake and David discuss Trump's proposed Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) and its potential impact on tax filing and federal remote work policies. They analyze the Pentagon's seventh consecutive failed audit and examine Intuit's ambitious plans to expand its enterprise offerings. The duo also explores a groundbreaking study showing ChatGPT-4 outperforming human doctors in medical diagnoses, highlighting AI's growing capabilities in professional decision-making.

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Blake and David dive into the economic implications of Trump's election victory, including proposed tariffs that could significantly impact businesses and inflation. They explore potential tax changes under a new Trump administration, from corporate rate reductions to the elimination of the SALT cap. They also examines an alarming $47 million IRS fraud scheme targeting tax practitioners and debate the future of Bitcoin as speculation grows about a potential national Bitcoin reserve.

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Show Notes

How Trump Won the Economy-is-Everything Election

https://www.livemint.com/politics/news/how-trump-won-the-economy-is-everything-election-11730973573508.html

How Will Trump’s Universal and China Tariffs Impact the Economy?

https://taxfoundation.org/blog/trump-tariffs-impact-economy/

Which Workers Are Embracing AI?

https://www.chicagobooth.edu/review/which-workers-are-embracing-ai

Actions Were Not Taken to Timely Strengthen Practitioner Priority Service Telephone Line Authentication Controls

https://www.tigta.gov/sites/default/files/reports/2024-10/2025ier001fr.pdf

Fraudsters get $47 million from practitioner priority service line scheme

https://www.journalofaccountancy.com/news/2024/nov/fraudsters-get-47-million-from-practitioner-priority-service-line-scheme

Freddie Freeman on World Series MVP, Ohtani Media Mayhem and His Surprising Backup Career | Ep 109

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZimDH_hW7LU

PCAOB board member complains of persecution by senators

https://www.accountingtoday.com/news/pcaob-board-member-complains-of-persecution-by-senators

AICPA to Congress: Delay needed in BOI reporting deadline

https://www.thetaxadviser.com/news/2024/nov/aicpa-to-congress-delay-needed-in-boi-reporting-deadline

New Development Re: BOI Reporting – 44 Congressmen Seek to Delay FinCEN Beneficial Ownership Reporting

https://gpwcpas.com/new-development-re-boi-reporting-44-congressmen-seek-to-delay-fincen-beneficial-ownership-reporting/

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