The Advisor's Fuel Podcast with Adam Koos

Most client portfolios look a lot like the client's zip code. American investors load up on US stocks, Texans lean into energy, and Californians overweight tech. It feels safe because it's familiar, and it's one of the most common mistakes in investing.

In Part 2 of their conversation, Adam Koós sits back down with Meb Faber, co-founder and chief investment officer of Cambria Investment Management and host of The Meb Faber Show. Meb has spent two decades researching global asset allocation, value, and trend following, and he's written about home country bias more than just about anyone.

Meb breaks down why home country bias costs more than people think, the three portfolio mistakes he sees from individuals and professionals alike, and why a trading system that's right 99% of the time can still blow up. He and Adam also get into the "flood in the garage" test for legacy holdings, why "sell half" works even though clients hate hearing it, and where advisors really earn their fee now that a solid portfolio can fit on a note card.

Whether you're building portfolios, coaching nervous clients, or trying to explain your process without the jargon, this one hands you stories you can use in your next meeting.

00:00 Why "sell half" breaks the emotional tie

01:15 What home country bias is and why it hurts

03:30 Regional bias: energy in Texas, tech in California

05:20 US vs. international and thinking in probabilities

09:00 How long an asset can underperform

12:30 The 99% accurate trading system that still loses

14:15 Adam's "good loss" story

15:30 The flood in the garage test

18:00 Stories beat Sharpe ratios with clients

21:00 The 3 portfolio mistakes Meb sees most

25:00 Why few investors have lived through a real crash

29:00 Where advisors really add value now

31:00 Meb's non-consensus belief: it doesn't have to be complex

💡 Home country bias is everywhere. Investors around the world put most of their money in their own country, and the same habit shows up by region and industry.

💡 A high win rate means nothing on its own. What matters is how big the wins are compared to the losses, and a system that's right 99% of the time can still wipe you out.

💡 Run the flood test. If a client's account were wiped clean tomorrow, would they buy what they own today? If not, it's worth asking why they still hold it.

💡 Clients think in all-in or all-out. Selling half breaks the emotional tie to one outcome, even if nobody loves hearing it.

💡 The three mistakes Meb sees most are home country bias, no exposure to real assets, and no plan for big drawdowns.

💡 Asset management is table stakes. Taxes, estate planning, insurance, and behavioral coaching are where advisors make the biggest difference.

🗣 "Going halfsies is pretty good advice, 'cause it breaks the emotional tie to a potential outcome." - Meb Faber

🗣 "There is such a thing as a good loss." - Adam Koós

🗣 "I think the tax alpha is a lot easier than the investment alpha." - Meb Faber

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Most advisors have a plan for the next client meeting. Far fewer have a written plan for what they'll do when the market drops 30% and the phones start ringing. On this episode of The Advisor's Fuel, Adam Koós sits down with Meb Faber, co-founder and CIO of Cambria Investment Management and host of The Meb Faber Show. Meb holds the CMT and CAIA designations and has spent more than two decades researching rules-based strategies like trend following, value, and tactical allocation.

They work through the investing beliefs Meb thinks most pros get wrong: why stocks beating bonds can take decades, where the 10-month moving average idea came from, why dividends get misunderstood, what bonds and gold are actually for, and why an exit plan is worthless without a re-entry plan. Whether you run a solo practice, lead a growing RIA, or sit on your firm's investment committee, this one will sharpen how you build portfolios and how you talk to clients when things get rocky.

00:00 Why you have to be asset class agnostic

01:10 Meet Meb Faber

03:15 From the biotech bubble to quant investing

06:15 The belief almost everyone holds: stocks for the long run

09:20 Where the 10-month moving average idea came from

12:30 Power laws, bear markets, and why volatility explodes in downtrends

21:00 Missing the best days vs. missing the worst days

34:00 Is dividend investing overrated?

40:00 Bonds, T-bills, and the real safest asset

44:00 Gold and the case for owning a little of everything

49:30 The biggest portfolio mistake advisors make

54:15 The two things clients want to know in every correction

1:01:30 The most underrated bias: ignoring fees and taxes

💡 Stocks beat bonds over time, but "over time" can mean decades. Clients want certainty on a timeline that markets don't honor, and that gap drives most bad decisions.

💡 Trend following is more than a century old, and Meb argues a market-cap-weighted index is itself a simple trend-following strategy. Price is the only variable in it.

💡 The famous "miss the 10 best days" stat tells half the story. Most of the best and worst days cluster in downtrends, when volatility is highest.

💡 A high dividend yield often means the price fell. Yield alone says nothing about quality.

💡 Chasing performance is still the biggest portfolio mistake Meb sees, from solo advisors all the way up to giant institutions.

💡 In every correction, clients want to know two things: am I going to be okay, and are you doing something about it. "It always comes back" is getting harder to sell.

🗣 "It's better to be Rip Van Winkle than Nostradamus when it comes to investing a lot of your money." - Meb Faber

🗣 "It's okay to have an exit, but you have to have the re-entry." - Meb Faber

🗣 "They wanna know A, am I going to be okay? And B, are you doing something about what's going on right now?" - Adam Koós

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In this episode of The Advisor's Fuel, Adam Koós breaks down why financial advisors build detailed plans for every part of a client's financial life, retirement income, tax strategy, insurance, estate planning, and almost never do it for themselves.

Adam walks through the four-part planning framework he revisits every year: values, vision, mission, and goals. He shows how to rank what actually matters, audit where your time really goes, and turn big personal and business goals into a plan you'll actually execute instead of just talk about.

Whether you're a solo advisor trying to get out of reactive mode, a practice owner scaling a team, or a CEPA-credentialed advisor guiding business owners through their own planning, this episode gives you a process to start with.

Episode Timestamps

[00:00] Welcome to the show

[01:03] Why "winging it" catches up with advisors

[02:05] The planning framework, built like a house: values, vision, mission, goals

[04:00] Ranking your top values and auditing where your time actually goes

[08:00] The "perfect day" exercise: designing your ideal life 5, 10, and 20 years out

[13:00] Turning goals into a business plan (and the income-to-hourly-rate math)

[17:00] An old-school trick for making your goals stick

Key Takeaways

💡 Advisors build detailed plans for every part of a client's financial life, but almost never for their own.

💡 The framework works like building a house: values are the foundation, vision is the framing, mission is the finish work, and goals get the car out of the driveway.

💡 Ranking your top values and comparing them to your actual calendar exposes the gap that leads to burnout.

💡 The "perfect day" exercise only works if you get specific, down to what you smell when you wake up and what you eat for breakfast.

💡 Big goals only become real once you break them down from a 3-year target into a 1-year, quarterly, and weekly plan.

💡 What you're willing to give up matters as much as what you're trying to gain.

Key Quotes

🗣 "We plan everything for our clients, but we rarely plan for ourselves."

🗣 "Whatever it is you want in life, you have to be willing to give up something of equal or greater value to get it." - Matt Halloran, quoted by Adam

🗣 "The truth is that the top 5% make the time to plan these things, because if they don't plan it, it's not gonna happen."

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Most advisors are good at what they do. The problem is their brand does not show it. Their website, their message, and their pitch sound like every other advisor down the street, so prospects have no real reason to lean in. On this episode of The Advisor's Fuel, Adam Koós sits down with Natalie Hales, an advisor positioning strategist with more than 15 years in financial services marketing and deep compliance experience, who helps experienced advisors clarify their niche and attract higher-quality clients without the constant chase.

Adam and Natalie break down the niche funnel and why it flips the traditional prospecting model on its head, the reason a generic website works against you even when it feels safe, how AEO and zero-click search are already changing the way clients find advisors, and the exact order to build in: positioning first, then branding, then marketing. Natalie also walks through how she helps advisors land on a niche by starting with patterns, moving to natural connections, then sharpening it into a real strategic advantage. Whether you are two years in and stuck, fifteen years in and coasting, or somewhere in between and tired of sounding generic, this one gives you a clear place to start.

Episode Timestamps:

00:00 - Why marketing is really psychology plus finance

03:00 - The signs your brand has gone generic

05:00 - The niche funnel and why it flips prospecting around

07:00 - The fear of niching, and putting it on your website

11:00 - How AEO and zero-click search are changing lead flow

14:00 - Finding your niche: patterns, natural connections, strategic advantage

17:00 - Positioning, branding, marketing (in that order)

22:00 - What actually changes after the makeover

24:00 - Advisor A vs Advisor B: two very different conversations

25:00 - Rapid fire: mistakes, beliefs to drop, and first steps

Key Takeaways:

💡 Targeting everyone means resonating with no one. When you speak to a specific person's pain points, the right prospects lean in before the first call.

💡 A generic website feels safe, but it mostly ends up talking about you and your team. Clients care about their own problem first, so specific beats broad every time.

💡 Do the work in order: positioning first, then branding, then marketing. Most advisors start with the marketing and wonder why it falls flat.

💡 Zero-click and AI search are already routing leads. The advisors who talk about a clear specialty on LinkedIn, YouTube, and social are the ones getting surfaced.

💡 Finding your niche is a process. Start with the patterns in your calendar and inbox, tie them to a natural connection in your own story, then sharpen it into a strategic advantage.

💡 Niching down is a longer game, roughly a year from foundation to fully running, but it reshapes who you work with and what you get to talk about every day.

Key Quotes:

🗣 "When people know exactly who you're for, you don't have to chase anymore. They walk into the conversation already leaning in." - Natalie Hales

🗣 "Niching doesn't mean saying no to business. It means that your value is easier to recognize." - Natalie Hales

🗣 "It's comfortable for you, and it means nothing to anybody else." - Natalie Hales

Connect With the Natalie Hales, Natalie Hales Advisor Marketing

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Most advisors were trained to sell a story. Find a great company, build a thesis, talk a client into the position, then hope the market agrees. The problem shows up when the stock goes down anyway and nobody can explain why.

In this episode of The Advisor's Fuel, Adam Koos sits down with David Keller, CMT, founder of Sierra Alpha Research and host of the Market Misbehavior podcast, who spent nearly a decade running the technical research department and the legendary chart room at Fidelity. David breaks down what technical analysis actually is once you strip away the voodoo label, why price carries information the same way earnings do, and how a consistent routine protects advisors from the behavioral biases quietly wrecking their decisions. He and Adam get into relative strength, risk management, the biases that trip up clients and advisors alike, and the mindset that separates good investors from great ones. Whether you already run technical models, you are curious about adding them, or you just want a cleaner process for managing risk and client fear, this one is worth your time.

Episode Timestamps

• 00:00 – Why price has information, just like earnings

• 01:00 – Meet David Keller and Sierra Alpha Research

• 02:00 – From music and psychology to Bloomberg and technical analysis

• 05:00 – Nine years at Fidelity and the chart room

• 13:00 – The chairman's hotline: David's favorite Fidelity story

• 18:00 – Technical analysis in plain terms, minus the voodoo

• 23:00 – The quotes: Fama, Buffett, and Templeton on behavior

• 28:00 – Confirmation bias, endowment effect, and changes of character

• 32:00 – What clients actually want when markets go sideways

• 35:00 – Price is fact: stop guessing what markets should do

• 39:00 – Risk management first and the tornado siren analogy

• 40:00 – What separates average investors from great ones

• 43:00 – The three charts David returns to again and again

• 47:00 – Mindset for the next generation of advisors

Key Takeaways

💡 Technical analysis is not a crystal ball. It is a way to read what the market is doing right now instead of guessing what it should do next.

💡 Markets trend because human behavior drives them, and relative strength helps you find what is actually working instead of what you hope will work.

💡 Advisors carry a double load of behavioral biases, their clients' and their own. A consistent routine is how you keep emotion out of the process.

💡 Being wrong is part of the job. Staying wrong when the evidence has changed is the real mistake.

💡 Bull markets are the time to build good routines, because bear markets are when they actually matter.

💡 The best investors are the most self-aware, and they ask better questions than everyone else in the room.

Key Quotes

🗣 "As technical analysts, what we're doing is recognizing that price has information just like earnings do."

🗣 "A consistent but imperfect process is way better than an inconsistent, perfect process."

🗣 "The most successful investors aren't necessarily the smartest ones, they're the most aware."

Connect With the Guest

David Keller, CMT – Sierra Alpha Research

Website: https://www.marketmisbehavior.com/

YouTube:@dkellercmt

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Most advisors know they should be creating content, but the second equipment, editing, and keywords enter the conversation, the whole idea gets shelved. This week on Advisor's Fuel, Adam sits down with Kyle Andree, a podcast strategist and producer who has spent the years since 2018 helping business owners and financial advisors launch and grow shows through his company, In-House Podcasts.

Kyle breaks down the one question every advisor needs to answer before they hit record, why most podcasts fade out around episode 30, and how to choose a format and cadence that actually fits a practice instead of someone else's playbook. Whether you're thinking about launching your first show, trying to fix one that's stalled, or just want to build trust faster than a newsletter or social post ever could, this conversation is packed with practical insight you can use right now.

00:00 — Intro: how Kyle got into podcast production

05:00 — Why "what's your why" is step one before you hit record

08:00 — A good podcast why vs. a bad one (the optometrist example)

13:00 — The biggest mistake advisors make when launching a podcast

16:00 — What to check when a podcast isn't growing

21:00 — Solo, interview, or co-hosted: picking the right format

27:00 — How to actually work with a producer like Kyle

💡 If you can't say why you want a podcast, you're not ready to hit record.

💡 A podcast built for status fades fast. One built to share real expertise doesn't.

💡 Podcasting builds a closeness with your audience that a newsletter or social post can't touch.

💡 Advisors who over-invest in equipment before they're committed usually end up with expensive gear that sits unused.

💡 Pod fade hits around episode 30. Get past it and your odds of sticking with the show go up dramatically.

💡 The best podcast format and frequency is the one you'll actually repeat every single week.

🗣 "If you can't tell me a why, I would ask you to go back and think about that why." — Kyle Andree

🗣 "The authenticity you get from a 30 or 60 minute podcast conversation goes a lot further than a curated Instagram picture or a well written newsletter." — Kyle Andree

🗣 "The best podcast frequency is the one you're gonna use and the one you're gonna stick to." — Adam Koós

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Adam Koós welcomes back John and Jack Kosar of Asbury Research for their quarterly market check-in, and this one covers a lot of ground. They dig into why markets climb slowly and fall fast, what the current shift out of tech and into industrials, financials, and healthcare is really telling us, and why a repeatable, back-tested model beats reacting to whatever's on CNBC that day.

Whether you're fielding client calls about volatility or building your own talking points for the next correction, this conversation is packed with the kind of practical, data-driven perspective advisors can put to work right away.

00:00 – Adam welcomes back John and Jack Kosar of Asbury Research for their quarterly check-in

01:00 – Why markets move at different speeds going up versus going down, and the case against shorting

05:00 – Reading the S&P's triangle breakout and what a healthy broadening market looks like

09:00 – The 200-day moving average and reading a market at an inflection point

14:00 – Where the money is rotating: industrials, financials, and healthcare

18:00 – Why breaking a tested model mid-year to chase risk is a dangerous road

22:00 – Cutting through the noise with a data-driven, back-tested plan

25:00 – Coaching clients to turn off the news and actually enjoy their money

29:00 – Inside the Correction Protection Model (CPM) and its 15-year track record

32:00 – Final takeaways: every correction starts with a pullback

💡 Markets tend to climb slowly and drop fast, which is exactly why chasing a short is a much harder trade than most advisors think.

💡 The 200-day moving average is a simple gut check on trend. Cracking below it has lined up with real trouble before.

💡 Right now the rotation out of tech and into industrials, financials, and healthcare points to a market getting more defensive, not one that's about to fall apart.

💡 A repeatable, back-tested model beats reacting to headlines, and breaking that model mid-year to chase performance is a dangerous habit.

💡 Every correction starts with a pullback, and every crash starts with a correction, so the plan has to exist before clients start calling.

💡 Clients don't need to beat the market. Most just want smaller drawdowns and a good night's sleep, and that's a conversation advisors can have today.

🗣 "Nothing good happens below the 200-day moving average."

🗣 "Every correction starts with a pullback, and every crash starts with a correction."

🗣 "The market goes up like an LP, and it goes down like a 45."

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Jack Kosar

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Part 2 of a four-part series on working with the wealthiest segment of the population, business owners. In Part 1 Adam covered how to start the exit planning conversation and get owners to the table. This one is about the thing every owner needs whether you're doing exit planning or not: a real financial plan for the owner and their spouse.

Adam is taking you through our process at the office, meeting by meeting. The discovery meeting that runs two to two and a half hours, sometimes longer. The education meeting where we stop asking and start teaching. The planning meeting where we build the cash flow and then break it on purpose. The six-week follow-up. And the Safe Haven Kit, which might be my favorite part of the whole thing. If you've never done planning in your practice, or you do it but want a cleaner process, this episode is for you.

00:00 - Intro and the four-part series

01:00 - Why every owner needs a plan (the business is ~80% of net worth)

02:00 - The discovery meeting, and why it runs so long

04:00 - Soft questions first, numbers last, and a 90%+ conversion rate

05:00 - The education meeting: teaching investing and the risk assessment

07:00 - The financial planning meeting and cash flow analysis

08:00 - Breaking the plan on purpose with stress tests

09:00 - Ancillary advice: income, tax, estate and insurance

11:00 - The six-week follow-up and how they run review meetings

12:00 - The Safe Haven Kit, start to finish

15:00 - How Adrenaline started (the Leo story)

💡 The discovery meeting is the longest one they run, two to two and a half hours and sometimes more, with no forms sent ahead and no shortcuts. Soft questions come first, the numbers come near the end. That process converts north of 90%.

💡 For most owners the business is around 80% of their net worth, so it has to live inside the plan as an asset. Value it conservatively, because owners almost always guess high.

💡 The risk assessment measures what a client wants. The plan output tells you what they need. The whole job is getting those two to line up.

💡 Once a plan looks good, break it on purpose. Push expenses up, pull the retirement date in, and show the client how much room they actually have.

💡 The Safe Haven Kit gets a client's whole financial house into one place, documents, passwords, an encrypted vault, and gives the executor access with one switch when the worst happens.

🗣 "A dream without a plan is just a wish."

🗣 "We're not going to use this risk assessment to determine how we invest your money. That's what the financial plan output is for."

🗣 "Okay, your financial plan looks great. Now let's break it."

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Your business owner clients are the biggest bottleneck in their own company, and, if you run your own practice, I'm sure you can relate to them. They're answering phones, managing schedules, doing $20-an-hour tasks - and wondering why growth feels so hard. This week on Advisor's Fuel, Adam sits down with Tiffany Helton, an operational scaling and profit strategy expert who has spent 15+ years helping founder-led businesses get out of their own way.

Tiffany breaks down exactly what founder dependency looks like, why most businesses aren't sellable (or even transferable), and what it actually takes to build a company that runs without you. Whether you're a financial advisor working with business owner clients, a CEPA helping clients think through exit strategy and enterprise value, or needing better operational systems in your own firm, this conversation is packed with practical insight you can use right now.

00:00 - Intro: Meet Tiffany Helton, operational scaling and profit strategy expert

02:30 - What happens when you actually reach the self-managing company goal

10:00 - Founder dependency: what it is and how to know if you have it

15:00 - The four Ds - death, divorce, disability, disagreements - and why you have to plan now

19:00 - Adam's BTEP framework: Business Transition and Exit Planning

20:30 - Why exit planning is the answer even if you're not selling for 15 years

24:00 - Profitability vs. revenue: why growing top-line isn't enough

28:00 - Clean books, zero forecasts, and the $523/hour exercise

31:00 - Delegation vs. operational leadership: there's a real difference

38:00 - Where to start if you want more freedom - and the house-staging analogy

💡 Founder dependency isn't a personality flaw - almost every business owner ends up here. The question is whether you fix it before it costs you.

💡 If you removed yourself from your business tomorrow, would it survive? That's the real test. If the answer is no, that's your starting point.

💡 Most businesses aren't sellable because they're too owner-dependent. Buyers don't want to buy a job - they want to buy a system.

💡 Growing revenue doesn't automatically mean growing profit. Look at margins, budgets, and especially your labor percentage.

💡 Only about 20-30% of businesses have clean, organized books. Even fewer have a three-year financial forecast. Those gaps are where value gets left on the table.

💡 Exit planning isn't just for sellers. If you implement it early, you get a more profitable, less chaotic business right now - and exponentially more value when you do sell.

💡 Delegation is giving tasks away. Operational leadership is teaching your team to think like an owner. Both matter, but they're not the same thing.

💡 Every owner should be able to answer: does my business actually support my personal financial goals? Most can't.

🗣 "If I remove you from your business, what happens? Because if the answer is it falls apart - that's the problem, and that's exactly what buyers see too." - Tiffany Helton

🗣 "80% of businesses don't sell. They dissolve. And 80% of business owners' net worth is in their company. Those two facts together should terrify every owner who hasn't started planning." - Adam Koos

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Most advisors are getting their market intel from the same three TV networks that make money every time you stay glued to the screen. John and Jack Kosar of Asbury Research don't work that way. They follow the data.

In this episode, the three of us dig into what the market is actually doing right now - not what the headlines say it's doing. We talk about breadth, sector rotation, bond yields, the Mag 7 concentration debate, the AI bubble question, and what you should actually be saying to nervous clients this quarter. John's been doing this for over 40 years. Jack brings the institutional translation layer that makes it actionable. If you've ever felt like the financial media is working against your clients, this one's for you.

00:00 - Intro & guest background: John and Jack Kosar of Asbury Research

02:30 - Reading the current tape: S&P fresh highs, breadth, and what's really leading

07:30 - Sector rotation deep-dive: what's quietly winning and what's losing steam

11:30 - Bond yields and the inflation signal the market can't ignore

15:30 - The Mag 7 concentration debate: fragile market or media narrative?

19:30 - Why forecasting is just guessing dressed up in a suit - and what to do instead

23:30 - AI bubble vs. dot-com: the real difference this time around

26:30 - Preparing for the next big correction: what 2022 taught us

29:30 - One piece of advice for advisors sitting across from nervous clients

💡 The parts of the market that should be leading - NASDAQ, semiconductors, Mag 7 - are leading. When the data lines up that cleanly, tune out the noise.

💡 Drawdown analysis is one of the most underused tools in an advisor's kit. When the market sells off, that's exactly when you should be studying what's holding up - because that's what you want to own on the way back.

💡 Bond yields near multi-year highs are a signal from the bond market that inflation is real, regardless of what any talking head says. The bond market doesn't lie.

💡 Market timing and trend-following are not the same thing. Nobody is trying to predict the future - they're following the money. There's a big difference.

💡 The 'stay invested always' narrative benefits fund companies, not your clients. The best days and worst days in the market tend to cluster together during high-volatility periods.

💡 Asbury's blend of their sector rotation model (CIF) and correction protection model (CPM) was up 8.6% in 2022 - a year the S&P was down nearly 20%.

💡 If you're worried about clients missing 'the best days,' make sure they're also prepared to survive the worst ones. They tend to show up together.

🗣 "The business is way too tilted toward forecasting. Forecasting is a euphemism for guessing. It gets you on TV. It gets your clients excited maybe. But I make more money and I sleep better at night just following the models." - John Kosar

🗣 "The messaging that goes out to investors is really tilted toward: just give me your money and shut up and I'll send you an electronic birthday card once a year. And I think we could do better than that." - Adam Koos

🗣 "Clients want to know that you have a plan - and that you're going to do something about it if the market starts to go sideways. You don't have to be a market technician. You just have to be open-minded enough to look at options that are tested and proven." - Jack Kosar

🗣 "Follow the money. The money is the boss. If you can figure out a way to track where the money is going in a comprehensive way, you don't need forecasts." - John Kosar

Resources & Links Mentioned

Asbury Research - rules-based market analysis firm founded in 2005, offering SMAs on the Schwab platform and model portfolios available on advisor TAMPs.

Interested in adding Asbury's models to your TAMP or learning more about their SMAs on Schwab? Reach out directly to John or Jack via the links below.

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John Kosar

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Jack Kosar

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