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Why do so many transformations fail, even when the technology works?
Most programs look at change through one lens: the technology, the operations or the people. In this episode, Marc Walker, Affan Burki and Wout Helsmoortel argue that you need all three at once, and each of us takes one: experience (how people live the change), architecture (the systems that make it possible) and operations (how the work actually gets done). The trouble usually starts at the joints between them.
We cover what successful transformations get right, the Andon cord that let any factory worker stop the production line, and why communication and trust matter even more when the transformation team is as uncertain as everyone else. On experience, we look at what changes when agents stop being tools and start acting for you, and how confidence thresholds decide when an agent goes ahead or asks first. On architecture, context and trust become the design problem. On operations, the questions are feasibility and roles: most organizations can't say who does what, because they don't describe roles in a shared language. We close with the Orbit Method current state canvas, which brings all three lenses together on one page.
Chapters
00:00 Welcome Back
00:22 Why Transformations Break at the Joints
02:17 What Successful Transformations Get Right
04:38 Can You Put Your Operating Model on Paper?
06:42 The Andon Cord: Who Gets to Stop the Line
09:00 Communication and Trust in Agentic Change
10:50 The Experience Lens: From SaaS to Agents
13:38 Context at the Right Time
15:28 Confidence Scores as Guardrails
17:00 Designing the Human-Agent Interface
19:17 The Architecture Lens: Horizons and the Tech Stack
24:11 The Business Payoff
26:33 The Operations Lens: Is It Feasible?
29:56 The Current State Canvas: Nine Blocks, Three Lenses
33:06 Start with Key Processes
35:07 Role Mapping and a Shared Language
37:51 Wrap-Up and What's Next
Next episode: who does what. We walk through the target operating model canvas and how to divide work between people and AI agents, moving from the map phase to the design phase.
Try Orbit Method tools at https://orbitmethod.com and tell us what works and what doesn't. If you enjoyed this episode, subscribe so you don't miss the next one.
What is an operating model, and why does it matter now that AI agents can do real work?
In our first episode, Marc Walker, Affan Burki and Wout Helsmoortel start with the basics. Most people picture an org chart or a binder of policies, but an operating model is how people, process and technology come together to deliver value, and it's where the gap between strategy and performance opens up. We trace the line from strategy to business model to operating model, borrow "complicated versus complex" from General Stanley McChrystal's Team of Teams, and use a restaurant to make it concrete: the menu is the business model, the kitchen and floor are the operating model, and the plate is performance. Then we ask what happens when an agent joins the kitchen, and why the tacit knowledge your people carry in their heads is exactly what an agent needs written down.
Chapters
00:00 Cold Open: Technology Isn't the Bottleneck
00:26 Meet the Hosts
04:22 Not an Org Chart: Where Operating Models Came From
06:54 People, Process, Technology
08:53 The Gap Between Strategy and Performance
12:06 Strategy to Business Model to Operating Model
14:33 Complicated, Complex, Robust, Resilient
15:46 The Restaurant Analogy
20:45 Restaurant Procurement: Could an Agent Handle It?
24:07 Tacit Knowledge and the Documentation Gap
27:37 Introducing Orbit Method
30:09 Wrap-Up and What's Next
Next episode: the three lenses of transformation (experience, architecture and operations), with each of us taking one lens.
Try Orbit Method tools at https://orbitmethod.com and tell us what works and what doesn't. If you enjoyed this episode, subscribe so you don't miss the next one.
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The Agentic Operating Model is a podcast about how organizations get work done, and what changes when AI agents start doing part of it. Marc Walker, Affan Burki and Wout Helsmoortel bring three…
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Marc Walker
Marc is an enterprise architect, ontologist and operating model specialist. He worked on his first operating model in 1998, back when it was still called a management system, and has since designed operating models and architectures for organizations such as AstraZeneca, Credit Suisse and Lloyds Bank, and for public bodies including NATO, NEOM and the UK Department for Work and Pensions. In recent years his focus has shifted to emerging technology: smart cities, autonomous vehicles and now the integration of generative AI and semantic knowledge systems into operating model design. He has also researched threat modeling and cybersecurity ontologies at Newcastle University, and co-created Orbit Method with Wout.
Affan Burki
Affan is a former British Army officer, commissioned at Sandhurst in 2005. He served in operational and doctrinal roles including the Army's Land Stabilisation and Counterinsurgency Centre and the Collective Training Group, and helped write Allied and multinational doctrine on capacity building in Afghanistan, Iraq and NATO nations. After leaving active service, he was part of the founding team behind NATO's digital transformation, and he continues to advise NATO and its partners on learning and development. His lens is operations: the execution side, where an operating model is lived rather than drawn.
Wout Helsmoortel
Wout is the founder of Studio Shaped, which designs how people and AI agents work together in regulated and high-stakes environments. He began his career designing safety-critical interfaces for Siemens and Eurocontrol, then worked as a design strategist and UX lead for clients such as Walmart, Cigna, Belfius and ENGIE. Today he works with organizations including Fluxys and NATO. Together with Marc, he created Orbit Method, a framework for AI transformation built on the experience, architecture and operations lenses. He is a certified ISO/IEC 27001 Lead Implementer.