Most people believe growth requires destruction. Quit the job. Start over. Burn the bridge.

That is not always true.

In this episode, Amanda Dake sits down with Julie Rowlett, a mathematics professor whose work spans theoretical math, physics, game theory, and entrepreneurship. Julie shares how a lifelong career in abstract mathematics expanded into building Kluero, an AI-driven platform designed to help teams understand how they actually function together.

Rather than pivoting away from academia, Julie stayed with her work long enough for it to evolve. Her research into cooperation and strategy, originally studied through plankton and game theory, now informs how teams grow, adapt, and improve over time.

This conversation explores growth without collapse, risk without recklessness, and why building something better does not require burning down what already works.

In This Episode

• Why growth does not have to begin with dissatisfaction

• How abstract math becomes practical, human systems

• What plankton and teams have in common

• Why most team tools miss the point

• Building a company alongside a stable career

• Taking risks without sacrificing stability

About the Guest: Julie Rowlett is a mathematics professor, researcher, and entrepreneur. Her work connects theoretical physics and game theory to real-world leadership through her platform, Kluero.

LInkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julie-rowlett-b49690231 Website: https://www.kluero.com/

Connect with Amanda: Website: https://amandadake.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/amandadake/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanda-dake/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/OKCAmanda/

Stop creating offers nobody wants. Learn how to validate demand BEFORE you launch so you can build profitable offers that actually sell. Former teacher turned ClickFunnels certified partner reveals the exact framework for testing if your offer will convert.

Discover why most entrepreneurs waste months building offers that flop and how to align your business with what the market actually wants. Plus, learn how to use AI tools like ChatGPT to discover your unique strengths and create offers that feel effortless to deliver.

📘 FREE BOOK: 6 Moves To Your Next 6 Figures Get the complete roadmap: https://book.amandadake.com

🤖 FREE ALIGNED AI GUIDE Learn how to use AI for business alignment and self-discovery: https://amandadake.com/ai

⏱️ KEY TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Why most offers fail to convert 01:00 From teaching to digital marketing success 02:00 Trained by Russell Brunson at ClickFunnels 03:00 The 4-step offer validation framework 04:00 Creating crystal clear offer messaging 06:00 Building offers aligned with your strengths 08:00 Avoiding the low-ticket distraction trap 09:00 Using ChatGPT for self-discovery and business alignment

💡 WHAT YOU'LL LEARN: • How to test if your offer will sell before you build it • Why clarity beats complexity in offer creation • The biggest mistake with low-ticket offers (and why low-ticket might be draining your energy) • How to align your business with your natural design • Using AI tools for strategic business decisions and personal alignment

📚 TOOLS MENTIONED: • ChatGPT for business strategy • Human Design Chart • Gene Keys • DISC Profile • StrengthsFinder

ABOUT AMANDA DAKE: Strategist and growth consultant with 15+ years guiding professionals through business growth and career transitions. Trained as one of Russell Brunson's first certified ClickFunnels partners, Amanda helps professionals think clearly, choose their direction, & build a plan they can execute quickly.

Connect with Amanda: Website: https://amandadake.com/vip Instagram: https://instagram.com/amandadake LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanda-dake/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/OKCAmanda/

Jay Larson followed a traditional path for most of his life. College, career, family, stability. He could have stayed a few more years and retired comfortably. Instead, he made a different choice.

In this episode, Jay and Amanda talk about what it really looks like to choose growth later in life, without blowing up everything you've built. This is an honest conversation about work, identity, time, family, and what changes when you decide you're not finished yet.

They discuss:

• Why retirement didn't feel like the finish line

• Leaving a traditional path by choice, not crisis

• Creating space for meaningful work and passion projects

• How his relationship with time, work, and family shifted

• What he would tell someone standing at the same crossroads

This episode is for anyone who's built a good life and is quietly wondering if there's more, without wanting to start over. Key Moments 00:00 Jay's background and traditional career 04:12 The moment he knew he wanted something different 09:30 Why retirement didn't feel like the end 14:45 What growth looks like at this stage of life 20:10 How his relationship with time and work changed 26:40 What he would tell someone standing at the same crossroads Connect with Jay: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaylarson1228 Connect with Amanda: Website: https://amandadake.com/vip Instagram: https://instagram.com/amandadake LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/amanda-dake Get my book 6 Moves to Your Next 6 Figures https://book.amandadake.com

Choosing the right idea is the part most people overthink, especially if you've been in your career for 20 or 30 years and have a lifetime of experience to pull from. The truth is, you don't start with the offer. You start with the decision. In this episode, I walk through how to choose the idea that actually fits your life, your goals, and the way you want to work. If you've been spinning between multiple options or waiting for the "right moment," this will help you move forward with clarity. If you want help sorting through your ideas, you can use my free AI guide here: https://amandadake.com/ai Key Takeaways 00:00 Why choosing the right idea matters 02:15 How to narrow down multiple ideas 03:48 Pick the format that fits your life 05:10 What people get wrong about being "realistic" 06:52 How to choose your next step 07:45 Closing thoughts Connect with Amanda: Website: https://amandadake.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanda-dake Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/OKCAmanda

What makes good copy actually work? In this episode, I talk with Sani Nielsen, a copywriter and marketing strategist who believes that great copywriting isn't just about words, but connection. We dig into how understanding your audience, their awareness level, and their journey can completely change the way you write and sell. Sani shares why she sees the traditional sales funnel differently, explaining how her "ladder" approach helps business owners guide their audience toward each small "yes." We also talk about where AI tools like ChatGPT fit in, and why they'll never replace the strategy and empathy that come from real human communication. If you've ever felt torn between automation and authenticity, this conversation will remind you what makes your message truly resonate. Key Points 01:12 What copywriting really means in the age of AI 03:53 Forget the funnel: Customer journey as a ladder 08:17 How to extract messages that resonate 09:16 Why experts forget the basics 13:24 The real cost of "doing it yourself" 14:17 The 15-second audience 17:24 Human to human: The heart of marketing Enjoy this episode? Subscribe to the channel and drop a comment with your biggest takeaway. About Sani Nielsen Sani Nielsen is a Utah-based copywriter and marketing strategist who helps coaches, consultants, and entrepreneurs communicate their message with clarity and purpose. Her work centers on building authentic customer journeys that turn strangers into advocates. Connect with Sani Nielsen: Website: https://saninielsen.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/saninielsen Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/saninielsen/ X: https://www.x.com/saninielsen

About Amanda Dake Amanda Dake is a Strategic Growth Advisor who helps visionary founders and established professionals scale with clarity, alignment, and structure. With over 15 years of experience guiding entrepreneurs and executives, she's known for simplifying complexity and turning ideas into results that work. Creator of the C.A.S.H. Method and author of 6 Moves to Your Next 6 Figures, Amanda brings strategy, experience, and grounded insight to every conversation — helping clients grow without starting over or sacrificing what already works. Connect with Amanda Dake: Website: https://amandadake.com/vip LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanda-dake/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/amandadake/ X: https://x.com/TheAmandaDake Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/OKCAmanda/

This episode goes beyond recovery, it's about rebuilding life and business from the inside out.

Amy Charlesworth, a veteran and mental health advocate, shares her powerful story of overcoming PTSD, rediscovering purpose, and helping others find healing after trauma.

We talk about healing, awareness, purpose, and what it really means to step back into who you were always meant to be — even after life knocks you down.

🎧 Watch if you're interested in: • Veteran healing stories • Mental health and trauma recovery • Purpose-driven entrepreneurship • Finding peace and fulfillment after hardship

Key Moments: 00:00 Intro – Why Amy's story matters now 09:00 The moment everything changed 12:00 Healing through community and alternative medicine 20:00 Awareness, mindset, and daily choices 28:00 Building a mission-driven business 34:00 How to find Amy & learn more This is a conversation about courage, clarity, and creating a meaningful life no matter where you've been. Connect with Amy Charlesworth (QNAMY) Website: https://www.qnamy.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/qnamy LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amycharlesworth/ Connect with Amanda: Website: https://amandadake.com/vip Instagram: https://instagram.com/amandadake LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/amandadake

Millions of business owners are preparing to transition out of businesses they have built, creating one of the biggest waves of opportunity in decades. Dr. Dave Pennington joins Amanda Dake to talk about the "Silver Tsunami," what it means for professionals in their 40s, 50s, and 60s, and how to turn experience into advantage.

They discuss what it looks like to create new opportunities without starting over, how clarity and timing play into reinvention, and why curiosity is often the missing piece between what you've done and what's next.

Key Moments 00:00 Introduction 02:15 What the "Silver Tsunami" really means 06:30 The opportunity hidden inside business transitions 13:00 How to recognize and act on what's already in motion 19:45 Building what's next without starting from scratch

Connect with Dr. Dave Pennington Website: https://penncoaching.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-pennington-phd-35042714/

Connect with Amanda Dake Website: https://amandadake.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanda-dake/ 6 Moves to Your Next 6 Figures: https://book.amandadake.com

On this episode of the Amanda Dake Show, Bill Flynn shares his insights on leadership, scaling businesses, and creating exponential impact. Learn how to move from being the "doer" to the "architect," build effective teams, and leverage systems and AI to maximize results.

Key Takeaways:

• Stop being the hero; create systems that let your team operate independently

• Multiply your leadership impact across your organization

• Goldilocks founder concept: finding the right people to work with

• Using AI as a tool to enhance strategy, execution, and decision-making

• Timeless frameworks from management science applied to real-world business

Key Moments:

• 0:00 – Introduction & Overview of Bill Flynn

• 2:00 – Bill's Background & Startup Experience

• 8:00 – The Goldilocks Founder & Scaling Businesses

• 14:00 – "Bend the Curve" & Exponential Leadership

• 25:00 – AI in Leadership & Business Systems

• 36:00 – Books, Exponential Impact & Closing Advice

Connect With Bill:

• Bill Flynn Website: https://catalystgrowthadvisors.com

• Bill's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/billflynnpublic/

Connect with Amanda:

• Get Amanda's Book 6 Moves To Your Next 6 Figures: https://book.amandadake.com

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanda-dake/

How To Lead With Purpose in the AI Era

Leadership is changing fast. In this episode, I sit down with Donna Kent, founder of New Life Consultants, to talk about how connection, service, and self-awareness drive meaningful leadership even as technology reshapes the way we work.

🎙 Inside this episode: ✔️ How Donna went from 25 years at Xerox to building purpose-driven organizations ✔️ The power of connection and giving back as a growth strategy ✔️ How to navigate change without losing your purpose ✔️ Why AI should enhance leadership, not replace it ✔️ The one truth every great leader lives by

If you're leading a business, a team, or your own next chapter this episode will remind you what real leadership looks like in an evolving world.

🔹 Follow & Subscribe for more conversations on clarity, alignment, and the strategies that fuel six-figure growth.

Connect with Amanda Dake Website: https://amandadake.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanda-dake/ Instagram: https://instagram.com/amandadake Book: 6 Moves to Your Next 6 Figures → book.amandadake.com

Connect with Donna Kent LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donnakent55/ Organization: https://shpbeds.org/chapter/az-phoenix/

Sometimes, the best way forward is to pause, breathe, and create. In this episode, I sit down with Rubina Chadha, a mindfulness and creative transformation coach, to talk about how to use simple practices like breathwork, meditation, and creative expression to find calm again. We also dig into Human Design and how knowing how you're wired can make decisions feel lighter instead of forced. Rubina brings such a refreshing take on slowing down, showing how even tools like AI can support your clarity without losing what makes us human. This one is for you if life has been noisy and you want a practical way to feel more like yourself again. Key Points: 01:01 Understanding mindfulness and creative coaching. 01:51 Doodling as a form of meditation. 02:31 Supporting students and creatives under pressure. 04:18 The simplest entry point into mindfulness. 05:01 How AI is helping teachers and creatives. 06:12 Understanding Human Design. 07:50 A custom GPT for alignment and attracting clients. 11:14 AI is not a replacement for connection. 13:19 Rubina's path from creative to mindfulness work. 14:53 Where to connect with Rubina.