This episode features Evan Cummins, a seasoned kids pastor, sharing insights from over a decade of ministry leadership at Keystone Church. He unpacks how effective kids ministry goes far beyond creative environments and engaging curriculum. The conversation highlights the importance of discipleship, relational leadership, and seeing each child individually. Evan emphasizes that ministry is about people first—raising leaders who shepherd, not just manage. He also shares personal stories of growth, calling, and long-term faithfulness in serving. Ultimately, the episode challenges leaders to rethink success in ministry through the lens of impact, not just scale.

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In this episode, we sit down with Terri Kelly, Kids Pastor at Seacoast Church, who brings over 25 years of ministry experience and has helped pioneer one of the first multi-campus kids ministry models. She shares how churches can effectively disciple kids at scale, build strong volunteer teams, and create environments where every child feels seen, loved, and connected to God.

If you're a pastor, leader, or serve in kids ministry, this conversation will give you practical insights you can apply immediately.

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What does ministry really look like behind the scenes — beyond the platform, the titles, and the Sunday moments? In this episode,  Tyler and Adam Wright have an honest, heartfelt conversation about the real journey of serving the local church. From the sacrifices of church planting to finding your identity beyond a role, and rediscovering why kids ministry is deeply strategic to the future of the Church, this is a conversation rooted in faithfulness.

These are reflections shaped by experience, humility, and a genuine

love for God’s people — offering encouragement and practical 

wisdom for leaders who are committed to building for the long haul.

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0:00 - Coming Up

0:42 - Today’s Guest, Grant Bieberstein: Getting Into Kids Ministry

4:50 - Time-Stealing Systems, Building Great Tools

7:15 - Common Misconceptions Regarding Tools Amazing Life Offers

9:20 - What Pastors Are Saying

11:00 - Parent+ App Explained

19:44 - Service Builder, APlay, and Aplay Pro Explained

23:43 - What Grant Wants You to Know

25:32 - Final Thoughts

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00:00 - Coming Up

00:44 - Today’s Guest, Payton Bates: Why Kidsmin

05:27 - Part of A Big Church

10:57 - Leading People Twice Her Age, Building Systems

20:11 - When Dynamics Change

29:08 - Keeping The Ask Honest

33:31 - Casting and Understanding Vision

41:42 - Volunteers of All Ages

44:35 - Final Thoughts

Tyler sits down with Payton Bates—his actual sister—and what starts as playful sibling banter quickly turns into a surprisingly powerful conversation about calling, leadership, and kids ministry at scale. Payton shares how a clear moment in fifth grade set her on a path toward becoming a children’s pastor, even through seasons of burnout and healing. She unpacks what it was like leading kids ministry in one of America’s fastest-growing churches—15,000+ people, multiple campuses, and no building, just relentless “load-in/load-out” every week, during the pandemic.

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