Karen Fox sees leadership from a unique vantage point.

As Head of Talent Attraction & Engagement at Berkadia, the largest non-bank commercial real estate lender in the United States, Karen spends her days helping organizations build teams that actually work. Berkadia itself is a joint venture between Berkshire Hathaway and Jefferies, operating at the center of the multifamily commercial real estate world.

So when asked the question at the heart of Two Types of People, Karen didn’t hesitate.

There are two types of people: architects and builders.

Architects see the vision. They shape ideas, influence direction, and design what could be.

Builders make the vision real. They execute, move projects forward, and turn plans into outcomes.

Great teams need both.

In this Featurette, Karen shares how these two types show up in leadership, hiring, and culture. She also reflects on the determination and grit required to succeed in demanding industries and why recognizing different strengths inside a team can make the difference between momentum and stagnation.

Karen has also worked closely with John Biasiello for years, bringing an added layer of insight into how strong leadership partnerships actually function.

Because the question isn’t which type is better.

It’s knowing which one you are and building teams that bring both to the table.

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available for pre-order at all major retailers. 

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